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#1
11-28-2005, 05:30 PM
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Re: River action...
I think you'll win often enough (20%) to merit throwing in the 2 BB, but I don't think you have a value edge here so I think raising is bad.
The tough question is what to do if it's three-bet and it's one bet back to you. I think you can fold pretty easily if it's three-bet and capped and it's two back to you. 
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#2
11-28-2005, 05:32 PM
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Re: River action...
Why didnt you raise the flop?
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#4
11-28-2005, 05:44 PM
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Re: River action...
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[ QUOTE ] Why didnt you raise the flop? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not drawing the nuts and I don't like getting 3-bet with a 6-high flush draw. [/ QUOTE ] Isn't that kind of weak/tight? The game is short handed and you are worried about a higher flush draw? Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card? If you are going to be worried about not drawing to the nuts, I'm not sure why you would limp with this hand. p.s. I know that you are a better player than me, so hopefully you will point out any flaws in my logic here [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]
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#5
11-28-2005, 05:47 PM
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Re: River action...
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The game is short handed and you are worried about a higher flush draw? [/ QUOTE ] We took 8 to the flop so we are not shorthanded not sure if this changes your thought process but it needs to be noted.
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#6
11-28-2005, 05:54 PM
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Re: River action...
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Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card? [/ QUOTE ] If the EP flop better 3-bets, he may knock out the flop callers between making my raise much less profitable.
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#7
11-28-2005, 06:06 PM
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Re: River action...
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[ QUOTE ] Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card? [/ QUOTE ] If the EP flop better 3-bets, he may knock out the flop callers between making my raise much less profitable. [/ QUOTE ] Only if more than 2 fold though. From the way you described the table, these guys sound like they like to call. If you are not going to raise here for a free card, I'm not sure when you ever would because you always run the risk of the original raiser 3-betting and knocking people out. Do you only raise for a free card when you are also raising to protect/buy outs with something like Axs where you are trying to clean up your ace?
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#8
11-28-2005, 06:14 PM
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Re: River action...
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If you are not going to raise here for a free card, I'm not sure when you ever would because you always run the risk of the original raiser 3-betting and knocking people out. [/ QUOTE ] It's a combination of not having the nut-draw, having no-other outs and the board consistency. A K9x board is more likely to be re-raised than a 962 board.
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#9
11-28-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: River action...
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[ QUOTE ] Why not raise for a free card.. and if 3-bet, cap for a free card? [/ QUOTE ] If the EP flop better 3-bets, he may knock out the flop callers between making my raise much less profitable. [/ QUOTE ] And this would be a really bad thing? If you make your flush on the turn, there will often be redraws to flushes higher than your 6 high flush and the will come in a fair amount when players are still in the hand. Even if 4 spades are out on the river can you really bet them for value if there are multiple customers? From the way this group of players has been described you won't be losing too many customers to a sometimes 3 bet from original player.
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#10
11-28-2005, 07:19 PM
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Re: River action...
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If you make your flush on the turn, there will often be redraws to flushes higher than your 6 high flush and the will come in a fair amount when players are still in the hand. Even if 4 spades are out on the river can you really bet them for value if there are multiple customers? [/ QUOTE ] I rarely worry about 2% shots.
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