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Old 11-21-2005, 11:44 AM
Army Eye Army Eye is offline
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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I hope fossilman posts.

Also, I think it's kind of pathetic that the best hand Annie Duke ever played involved folding tens to an all-in reraise. Congrats lady... congrats.

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Hey it could be worse. Gavin Griffin's 'best hand ever' was one where he basically just won the blinds
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Old 11-21-2005, 11:49 AM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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I hope fossilman posts.

Also, I think it's kind of pathetic that the best hand Annie Duke ever played involved folding tens to an all-in reraise. Congrats lady... congrats.

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Hey it could be worse. Gavin Griffin's 'best hand ever' was one where he basically just won the blinds

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Well he sucks anyways so this isn't suprising.





















I KEED I KEED
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Old 11-22-2005, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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Hey it could be worse. Gavin Griffin's 'best hand ever' was one where he basically just won the blinds

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Not to steal the thread but Gavin made a really fast call when I went all in last week at the main event at Foxwoods, I was surprised he did.
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Old 11-21-2005, 03:00 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

Sometimes "the best hand ever played" doesn't mean you had to make this incredible bluff or incredible call or you milked someone for all their worth holding the nuts.


In hindsight, this is the hand that gave Annie the win in the TOC. This could have easily been her go broke hand and we would not have seen her dominate Phil. I'm sure at the time she did not think of it in such a way, but in hindsight finding out how badly she was beat she realizes that this was the hand that made it for her - not being up against Phil constantly with a dominating hand like KJ to K9 etc...it was the Tens. A hand that players love to play but a hand that gets a lot of people in trouble.

We all watch TV and see how easy a laydown it was...but its also quite possible that Raymer could have been making that move with just AKs or 88, 99.
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Old 11-21-2005, 07:42 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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Sometimes "the best hand ever played" doesn't mean you had to make this incredible bluff or incredible call or you milked someone for all their worth holding the nuts.


In hindsight, this is the hand that gave Annie the win in the TOC. This could have easily been her go broke hand and we would not have seen her dominate Phil. I'm sure at the time she did not think of it in such a way, but in hindsight finding out how badly she was beat she realizes that this was the hand that made it for her - not being up against Phil constantly with a dominating hand like KJ to K9 etc...it was the Tens. A hand that players love to play but a hand that gets a lot of people in trouble.

We all watch TV and see how easy a laydown it was...but its also quite possible that Raymer could have been making that move with just AKs or 88, 99.

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I agree. In Annie's case, it's a fine hand to feature. Annie was pretty short stacked when this happened but still had the discipline to lay down the tens after committing a good amount of chips. When you consider it was a winner-take-all event, it makes the fold even more difficult. I think you absolutely have to have a pretty strong read to fold.

It is the pivotal hand in what was by far the biggest win of her life (or most peoples' lives for that matter, $2 million). I think that qualifies.
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Old 11-21-2005, 10:09 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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Also, I think it's kind of pathetic that the best hand Annie Duke ever played involved folding tens to an all-in reraise. Congrats lady... congrats.

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The reason she said it was the best hand she ever played was because the laydown was only correct if she could positively eliminate AK from Raymer's possible holdings - if Raymer could possibly have AK in that spot, she would have been getting the right price and would have to call. It's not as if she agonized forever over a deep stack all-in raise from UTG.

She mentioned this in the "best hand I ever played" book, but I don't know if they showed that explanation on TV or not. If you want to see "pathetic", check out some of the other hands in that book. A good percentage of them are "I put all my money in as a huge dog down to one out, and then it came on the river and I won the pot! Best. Hand. EVAR.". IIRC Scott Fischman's was one where he admittedly made the wrong decision but Scotty Nguyen would have busted him out of the tournament with a miracle flop, therefore it was the best hand he ever played, etc.
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Old 11-22-2005, 07:32 AM
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yes, cause we all know the only way to win a tourney as prescribed by Harrington on Holdem and TPFAP is to call with the 2nd best hand and suck out...

If the hand would have been the difference between 2 mil. and nothing, it'd have been my fav. hand too.

rookie.

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Old 11-22-2005, 12:02 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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Also, I think it's kind of pathetic that the best hand Annie Duke ever played involved folding tens to an all-in reraise. Congrats lady... congrats.

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Considering the stakes involved and the player she was against, I don't think it's pathetic at all. She would of been knocked out if she called, instead she made a good laydown and kept herself in position to win.
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:41 PM
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Default Re: Raymer tell spotted by Annie duke

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She would of been knocked out if she called

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you heard it here first.. 10's ALWAYS lose to Kings
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Old 11-22-2005, 12:46 PM
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you heard it here first.. 10's ALWAYS lose to Kings


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ok, 80% she would have been knocked out smartass
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