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11-04-2003, 05:53 PM
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HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
This happened in a shorthanded game (5/10 Party) but I'll post it here as the situation is almost equally applicable to a full ring game -- and people keep talking about SH games in this forum anyway!
Dealt [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]2 in the SB. Folded to me, I raise. BB calls. Flop comes [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]2. Woohoo! I hit the flop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]. I bet, opponent raises. I'm new to the table -- I get the sense that he's an aggressive player, nothing more than that. What do you do? Fold? Call? 3-bet? I'll post my thoughts and results later. 
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#2
11-04-2003, 06:04 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
Does this opponent ever fold his BB to a raise? How often does he fold to a bet on the flop? Against an aggressive player, I'll often just fold here pre-flop. How much do you really like Q2s HU out of position?
Post-flop against an auto-bet-when-checked-to player I'll usually checkraise here. Having bet and been raised as you were, I'll fold some of the times, call some of the times, and repeat on the turn. All depends on how much I've been folding, how much he's been bluffing, how much he's been folding, etc.
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#3
11-04-2003, 06:08 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
Unless your opponent is a real weak-tightie, I don't think there's much benefit to stealing blinds with cruddy hands like Q2 sooted because you should have ample opportunity to do so with hands that at least have some semblance of home. Also, most players at the 6-max tables are at least reasonably adept in h/up play, whatever the other flaws in their game.
This hand is an example of why you don't want to steal with Q2 sooted, and an easy fold when he reraises.
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#4
11-04-2003, 06:13 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
Hey, Q2s is better than the average hand, so why not make the BB pay to see a flop [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]. I admit this is a pretty marginally pf raise against someone I think is on the aggressive side. (Remember I had only been there for maybe an orbit, though, so I don't have much prior info.)
I'd say that in many of the SH games I'm in, at least half the time I raise in the SB and then lead out on the flop (regardless of whether I hit), the BB folds somewhere in there. So I'm not sure that being out of position is an issue in this type of situation. I like being able to make the first move.
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#6
11-04-2003, 06:18 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
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I like being able to make the first move. [/ QUOTE ] I prefer being able to make the last move against players who like being able to make the first move. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#7
11-04-2003, 06:24 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
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[ QUOTE ] I like being able to make the first move. [/ QUOTE ] I prefer being able to make the last move against players who like being able to make the first move. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] [/ QUOTE ] Oddly enough, so do I! I just read your post about how you play when you're at a table with one maniac and two traditional, average players -- steal from the average players and wait to trap the maniac. Always better when he does the betting for you [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. That's pretty much what I try to do in that situation too. And in fact, that has a little to do with how I played this hand postflop. But I'm going to wait for some more comments before posting results. Must learn to be patient -- anytime I post a hand I want to share the results five minutes later.
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#8
11-04-2003, 06:34 PM
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Re: HU Suited flop -- how would you play it?
Q2s comes in at almost exactly 50% against a random hand in heads-up play. The trouble is that if BB is at all discriminating in the hands that he defends with, you're almost certainly a 'dawg once he calls (or, worse, reraises), and playing out of position for the rest of the hand. S&M specifically warn about stealing/defending with hands containing a duece or a trey because those cards will always be bottom pair even if they hit on the flop; apart from spiking a Q or perhaps a four flush, there are very few flops that you can bet into with any degree of confidence.
The results below also suggest that Q2s is a substantial loser in H/U play out of the SB. http://www.pokerroom.com/games/evsta....php?players=2 A final consideration is that it's probably in your best interest to maintain a friendly working relationship with your BB because he'll have position on you 5/6ths of the time.
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#10
11-05-2003, 09:19 PM
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RESULTS
His raise was lightning-quick. I figured he'd reraise like that with either a medium or high pocket pair, a king, or a decent-sized diamond (maybe with the other card paired with the flop). With a flush it's doubtful he'd reraise on the flop. But with a pocket pair or a king with a decent kicker, he'd probably have reraised me pf.
The gist is I put him on a re-raise diamond, and I put him on putting me on a bluff at the pot, trying to punish me for my aggression. So I called. Turn was a low blank, he bet, I called. Figured this was a semi-bluff. River was a non-diamond jack. He bet . . . I crossed my fingers and hoped he was bluffing at the pot, putting *me* on a diamond the way I called the turn, and I called. My hand, only slightly to my surprise, was good. But that doesn't mean that even putting aside for the moment my preflop raise, that I played it right [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img].
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