Play a Foxwoods hand with me

[betgo]

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i wouldve raised this pre, but since you didnt and now looked at the flop 6way i am not calling 1K OOP there.

considering that you made it to the turn i check it...
if he underbets, i would checkcall if he has you covered and checkraise allin if you cover him.
if he bets pot or more, muck quick and wonder why i called the flop.

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You could raise preflop, but completing is more standard. It is generally not good to raise with marginal hands from the blinds. Raise only with big hands, and maybe with suited gappers or something if you need to disguise the blinds raise with big hands.

I am not sure what approach to take after the flop. However, TPNK is not much in a 5-way pot. You may well have the best hand both preflop and on the flop, but this is not easy to play.

I think you have to consider reads on opponents. This early, would people have limped with A7(s)-A2(s)? Would they have limped with AJ-AQ or AA? Aside from an ace, you have to be concerned about 99, 88, and 98s. JTs gives a draw.

I haven't played in $10K tournaments, but my understanding is these days there are a lot of loose fish early on, just like in the tournaments I play in. I would be looking to play speculative hands and try to get action when I flopped something big. I would be cautious with TPNK, because when you get action, it is hard to tell if someone is overplaying or has you beat.

[zoobird]

Posting this without reading other responses first. I'd really like this flop, but I may have the best hand at this point. I'll bet 1000 to try to get anyone with flush or straight draws to fold. Assuming no reads, if I'm raised then I'll fold. If I'm called by one person, I'll take another shot at it on the turn. If I'm called by multiple people, I'll probably check/fold, unless the turn card helps me.

[Lloyd]

I like checking here. You likely have the best top pair hand but with so many people in the pot you can easily be behind a set or two pair. I would call a single bet. I'd fold to a bet and a raise. I could see myself leading the turn or check-calling depending on the card and who I'm up against. If it's UTG who bets the flop I'd be a little more cautious then if it's a LP possible stealer.

[SoBeDude]

I don't like seeing a flop with 4 limpers with this hand out of position.

I think you can pick up this pot preflop with a nice healthy raise. I also think a raise here makes the hand easier to play postlfop.

But given that you completed, I check and call a reasonable bet.

You can check-raise a lot of turn cards too: any 7, any J, any diamond, and of course a T.

If it is checked around, I DO NOT bet the turn, I check-raise it as someone will bet it for sure. If no one bets I lead the river.

-Scott

[A_PLUS]

With this flop, I will begin by assuming I have the best hand.

I have a few problems. I am out of position, I really have no information about the strength of my opponents hands, the board is just coordinated enough that I hate giving away free cards.

The pot is 1200, which is just big enough to go after, but not big enough that I am throwing caution to the wind, and betting out big.

Can I keep the pot small? If I check call a single 3/4 pot flop bet, and a 1/2 turn bet, there would be a 6K pot on the river, with me having about double that behind, so a small pot is unlikely (especially since I really will struggle to have any control OOP).

So, forget pot control. A check raise on the flop is an option, but I could really need to commit a lot of chips to get JT, T7 off their hands. I dont like the risk/reward there.

By default, I am leading at this pot. Having sworn off 'feeler' bets, I am leading for 600-1200 here. If I am raised, I am done. I I get called by 1 player, it will depend on his image. If I am called by more than 1, I am done unless something changes.

Play on the turn is very player dependent if I am against a single opponent.

[jon_1van]

Responding w/o reading other post

I bet out a respectable amount...probably 900-1000.

Why?
-I may be winning
-I want fewwer players to the turn to clean up my J/T/7 as outs.
-I'm not super worried about a raise with so many people in the hand it will take guts to make the raise with a hand that you have beat. In which case, folding to a big raise is probably the correct play. Also if the raise is callable you could pick up a bunch of outs on the turn.

If I get raised,call, and pick up a "good card" 7/T/J and d. I bet out on the turn.

If I get raised,call, and brick I check/fold.

[CardSharpCook]

To add my 2 cents:

I'd consider two options on the flop:
1. pot it up front, fold to a raise, bet 2400 on the turn, fold to a raise, check the river, read the player to see if I should call the river bet or not.

2. Check/rz pot on the flop. Means I'll have put 3K in there. After that, I shrivel up into my shell and check down.

I don't really like option two because I only have one shot to win the pot - the 3K effort on the flop. After that, I can be bluffed out by anyone. Still, I think this will work 70% of the time, you'll be behind 20% of the time and end up folding. You'll be ahead 10% of the time and end up folding.

As you played it. CALL HIM DOWN!!!!!!!!!! River bet? CALL CALL CALL!!! But before you do, stare him down, grab three yellow chips (yellow is worth $1k) and lean across the table and whisper, "You know, sir, I AM a calling station." and then toss your chips into the pot. There is also the optional "MUAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA" to be used at your discretion.

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To add my 2 cents:

I'd consider two options on the flop:
1. pot it up front, fold to a raise, bet 2400 on the turn, fold to a raise, check the river, read the player to see if I should call the river bet or not.

2. Check/rz pot on the flop. Means I'll have put 3K in there. After that, I shrivel up into my shell and check down.

I don't really like option two because I only have one shot to win the pot - the 3K effort on the flop. After that, I can be bluffed out by anyone. Still, I think this will work 70% of the time, you'll be behind 20% of the time and end up folding. You'll be ahead 10% of the time and end up folding.

As you played it. CALL HIM DOWN!!!!!!!!!! River bet? CALL CALL CALL!!! But before you do, stare him down, grab three yellow chips (yellow is worth $1k) and lean across the table and whisper, "You know, sir, I AM a calling station." and then toss your chips into the pot. There is also the optional "MUAH HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA" to be used at your discretion.

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Hypothetical:

You pot it on flop, only BB calls. Is your line still 2400, fold to a raise? Can you explain your rational. I agree that leading is best play on the flop (dont like the risk/reward of a CR), I can see a check and evaluate line as well.

Once we are heads up on the turn against a strange player, with the nut draw, I think we are much more likely to get paid on a winning hand if we let him do the betting.

[CardSharpCook]

why are we giving BB more credit for a piece of this than anyone else? Yeah, I still bet out 2400. It is my hope that I can tell from BB's body language whether he is on the draw or just letting me bet once I bet the turn. This will allow me to call or fold appropriately on the river.

If I knew what the turn card was gonna be, I'd def. check/call. Talking to someone else about the flop of this hand and how to play trips from the SB I said, "the only safe cards are a K, or a 2-4. Everything else is a possible danger card." So yeah, dreamy turn card. The added benefit of killing AQ/AJ when the board pairs makes it even better than 2 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].

I really don't like this hand. It is decent, but you are OOP. There is 10% of your stack in the middle, but it will take a 20-30% investment to bring it home. However, I'm not in the camp of the PF raise. ATs is a nice limping hand. You got 7-way action and you want to kill that??? No. Complete this one and chortle with glee in the anticipation of stacking someone with the nut flush. Chortling is much more fun then stacking a mere 1300 chips.

[A_PLUS]

From Sirio's read, I am presuming we should give him less credit than usual.

Once we get it heads up with him, I think betting 2400 makes it easy for him to make a good decision. We bet out after a King here, he is going to have a very hard time calling with JT, T7 (which is fine with me). But we also let weak Aces off the hook, and A8+ isnt going anywhere anyway. I am not overly worried about free cards, since our flush draw kills a few of his outs. I guess I dont see a many hands calling us that we are crazy about, but I could see a few betting into us.