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Old 11-17-2005, 04:11 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.

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what does he raise 9bb with on level 1? some people do this with AA KK, which just makes my hand even worse against this range.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:14 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.

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what does he raise 9bb with on level 1?

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not only are you basically assuming you have no folding equity against medium pairs, you're assuming that he can only have pairs.

he raised to 100, which is about 7x bb, at party, and he did it behind a limper.

lastly, you aren't giving up ev when you avoid getting all your money in with a worst hand.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:17 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

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Pushing, I am almost surely a coinflip.

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i don't know where you people get this stuff.

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what does he raise 9bb with on level 1?

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not only are you basically assuming you have no folding equity against medium pairs, you're assuming that he can only have pairs.

he raised to 100, which is about 7x bb, at party, and he did it behind a limper.

lastly, you aren't giving up ev when you avoid getting all your money in with a worst hand.

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what do you recommend the best play is?
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:19 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

i'm not saying folding is wrong, i'm saying your rationale sucks.
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Old 11-18-2005, 01:55 AM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

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i'm not saying folding is wrong, i'm saying your rationale sucks.

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wats hte right rationale?
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Old 11-18-2005, 02:24 AM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

The right rationale is your cev is higher if you fold than if you don't.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:26 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

i edited that post within a minute of making it, btw.
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i'm not saying folding is wrong, i'm saying your rationale sucks.

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then what is a good rationale for folding it? my hand isn't a favorite against his range, i should preserve chips until i have think i have a bigger edge. what else?
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:32 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

you said you were avoiding a coinflip, not avoiding getting all your chips in bad.

there's a difference.
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Old 11-17-2005, 04:45 PM
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Default Re: $33, passing up an edge by folding AK

also, i'm wondering what the point of hte post in the first place was, i mean all you said was "sometimes it's ok to fold AK preflop" basically, and well, everyone knows that.

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Old 11-17-2005, 04:46 PM
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