So I just lost 30K......

[Jonny]

Yeah my original post was pretty pointless now that I look at it. Sometimes it feels better just to post it to get it off my mind so I can refocus and get back into the game.

Bad beats are worthless to post, but I couldnt resist the 1-outer [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img], that one was just nasty.

I think I'm going to take 6K out of the stock market to jump start me back into the 1K.

[James282]

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Yeah my original post was pretty pointless now that I look at it. Sometimes it feels better just to post it to get it off my mind so I can refocus and get back into the game.

Bad beats are worthless to post, but I couldnt resist the 1-outer [img]/images/graemlins/shocked.gif[/img], that one was just nasty.

I think I'm going to take 6K out of the stock market to jump start me back into the 1K.

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A lot of those hands aren't bad beats, they are you calling all in with the worst hand. That isn't a bad beat. Calling with the idiot end of the straight twice, TPTK vs. set, KK vs. AA on QQ9 flop... The only hand here I believe I'd go broke on is the T9 vs. AT and maybe the AK vs. 33 if the guy was a total loon(looks like he was, in which case I would have set him in preflop anyways). Anyways, RussianBear has tried to help you just about as much as you could want for a simple "waaah I'm on a downswing" post and you refuted most of his help, so I guess I shouldn't bother, either. Good luck when you get back into the 1k.
Peace,
James

[Jonny]

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Anyways, RussianBear has tried to help you just about as much as you could want for a simple "waaah I'm on a downswing" post and you refuted most of his help

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I didn't refute russianbear's help. In fact, I agreed with pretty much everything he said.

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so I guess I shouldn't bother, either.

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Please do, so far the only help you have given is questioning the fact that I am up in 2K. Any advice would be appreciated.

PS- I did not want this to turn into a bad beat post. I played badly too, you know this, I know this, it does not need to be proven again.

[Python49]

Pretty lame how he's making a post asking about variance and losing streaks and being forced to defend his play.

[James282]

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Pretty lame how he's making a post asking about variance and losing streaks and being forced to defend his play.

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Yeah, we should blissfully let him go on stacking himself over and over in a game he can't beat. Maybe he can beat it, but it sure didn't seem like that originally. People are trying to help him, not criticize him.
-James

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People are trying to help him, not criticize him.


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[MicroBob]

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Pretty lame how he's making a post asking about variance and losing streaks and being forced to defend his play.

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It's pretty common for a losing player to blame his losses on variance and bad-luck.

Just taking him for his word that he 'knows what he's doing' just because he says so is a mistake.
Far more losing streaks are due to inferior play than many players are willing to admit.

Many players are heard to say that they are 'really good' at poker but they just went through the most awful losing streak and string of bad-beats imaginable.
Many of these players would be wise to admit that they were playing above their bankroll and that they probably aren't as good at poker as they thought they were.
They make plays that they think are obvious or 'automatic' when they are not even close to 'automatic' and are sometimes plain wrong.

It's just self-denial.


Jonny admits that his play is flawed at times...but also just points to various bad-beats as the reason why he's losing so much. And I think that pointing to all of one's bad-beats instead of taking a long, hard look at one's own play is the unhealthy way to go.


as far as the 'variance' part of his questions go. I think he's received several responses that dropping 15 buy-in's isn't as impossible or uncommon as he might have thought...and that if he wasn't prepared for the possibility of a $30k drop he shouldn't have been playing that high to begin with.


In short: It's hard to have much patience for the wide variety of players who say, "I'm a good player. I really really am. But I'm super-duper unlucky. But I know that I know what I'm doing."
It comes up over and over and over again.


Personally, I'm on a down-swing myself right now.
And I just seem to be the opposite of the typical mind-set. My immediate reaction to even a mild downswing is, "I'm pretty damned lousy at poker. I really could have saved a bet if I played that hand better" etc etc.

sorry if this was discussed in this post before, but did you lose most or all of the 30k at 1 table? because that could be your other problem.. table selection. Once people see you losing, it becomes a vicious cycle, they want to suck u out. Theres a couple of excellent articles out there about table selection and about table image and momentum.

[Jonny]

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sorry if this was discussed in this post before, but did you lose most or all of the 30k at 1 table?

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If only I had that kind of endurance, 10 thousand hands in a row! To be serious though, it came over the period of a week. I'm not so sure they were tyring to suckout.

[Jonny]

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Just taking him for his word that he 'knows what he's doing' just because he says so is a mistake.
Far more losing streaks are due to inferior play than many players are willing to admit.

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I agree with this. My losing streak was not purely bad luck, nor purely bad play, but a vicious combination of the two.

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Jonny admits that his play is flawed at times...but also just points to various bad-beats as the reason why he's losing so much. And I think that pointing to all of one's bad-beats instead of taking a long, hard look at one's own play is the unhealthy way to go.

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I review my big losing hands after every session and see how I could have played them better. Usually I learn from them and won't make the same mistake again... This is a good tactic to use and I would encourage anyone trying to better their game to do so.
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In short: It's hard to have much patience for the wide variety of players who say, "I'm a good player. I really really am. But I'm super-duper unlucky. But I know that I know what I'm doing."
It comes up over and over and over again.

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Yeah I pretty much hate those people too. I always tell my roomate after one of us is running hot/cold: "We all have the same luck in the long run, so stop complaining" etc..

I think its fair to say I know what I'm doing. I have studied the game and been critical of my own play. How many players turn $50 into $100K in a 150K hand, 1.5 year period? Answer: none who are not HIGHLY critical of their own play.