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11-16-2005, 08:38 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
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Against someone I suspect must have some semblance of an actual hand, I might check the turn and lead the river, folding to a raise (especially if a straight card hits). [/ QUOTE ] I would love to check but this won't tell me anything more about Villain's hand. I'm sure he would see my check as weakness, an indication that my flop action was a lame continuation bet. I fear he would throw a pot sized bet at me, practically forcing me to fold (would anybody go over the top if he did? I wouldn't have the balls). In fact I bet around half - $15 into a ~$27 pot, and after a little bit of thinking villain minraises to $30. The situation just got a lot uglier. Now I've managed to get myself into a pretty big pot with this fragile (if not already broken) holding. Folding this when it's only $15 to call the ~$73 pot just feels wrong (is it??). Calling feels too weak. I feel the urge to push allin here but why would I want to go broke with 99? Since I'm so unsure of where I stand, I think I should just lay it down here, and accept that from a pot-control point of view, played this horribly. Perhaps a limp-call preflop and check-fold to any bet on a nineless flop would've been the best play after all. Yet it feels so weak... 
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#2
11-16-2005, 08:48 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
yes, i can imagine it feels weak, but why would you lose a big pot, when you can save money with this hand. Forgive me if i am wrong, but with 22 - 88 (sometimes) 99 i mostly limp in. I play shorthanded 6 max.
I dont play too long, about 3-4 months now, but i feel for me this is the best way. Because if i dont hit the flop, and someone leads out big i can easily fold, because i havent got a lot of money in the pot. And if i do hit a set on a not too dangerous board. I can slowplay, and this is also nice vs more than 1 player. If i would raise lets say 99. I would get a set 1:7,5 times. If i come up vs 1 player after my raise. And my set doesnt hit, i almost must semi bluff to win the pot. This is my way of playing, but i am still learning
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#3
11-16-2005, 08:52 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
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I would love to check but this won't tell me anything more about Villain's hand. I'm sure he would see my check as weakness, an indication that my flop action was a lame continuation bet. I fear he would throw a pot sized bet at me, practically forcing me to fold (would anybody go over the top if he did? I wouldn't have the balls). In fact I bet around half - $15 into a ~$27 pot, and after a little bit of thinking villain minraises to $30. [/ QUOTE ] I am not being sarcastic when I say this: You bet half the pot, got raised and still had absolutely no idea what path to take. So, you charged yourself a minimum of $15 to end up in exactly the same place you would have been if you had checked. If you are really lost about what to do if you bet and get raised, I don't think you should bet. Also, if you do bet, I would make it more like $20. A 1/2 pot bet is an invitation for a tricky player to raise you. [ QUOTE ] Folding this when it's only $15 to call the ~$73 pot just feels wrong (is it??). Calling feels too weak. I feel the urge to push allin here but why would I want to go broke with 99? Since I'm so unsure of where I stand, I think I should just lay it down here, and accept that from a pot-control point of view, played this horribly. [/ QUOTE ] If you're behind, the best you can hope for is that you have two 4s and two 9s to save you. I don't think folding here is wrong if you believe you are behind, [ QUOTE ] Perhaps a limp-call preflop [/ QUOTE ] At six-max? I am going to have to say: No. I think the problem street here is the turn, not pre-flop. SpaceAce
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#4
11-16-2005, 08:57 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
PF is standard. 99 is a raising hand from any position in 6-max.
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#5
11-16-2005, 10:22 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
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You bet half the pot, got raised and still had absolutely no idea what path to take. So, you charged yourself a minimum of $15 to end up in exactly the same place you would have been if you had checked. [/ QUOTE ] I really appreciate this comment - I didn't even think about what to do if I'd get raised. At the time I didn't think too much of the min.raise, and felt it was an attempt to take the pot away from me. Looking back, I have to agree with you that my half-pot bet on the turn may have been an invitation to do so. RESULTS: I reraised all-in. Villain ran deep into his time bank before calling. He had A6s (Spades) and needless to say rivered an A. [ QUOTE ] I think the problem street here is the turn, [/ QUOTE ] I see that now. Funny that my motivation for the half-pot bet was to keep the pot small, not wanting to go broke with this hand. A bigger bet would probably not have induced the min.raise. Or even with a check-call on the turn and a check-call/fold on the river would've enabled me to get away from the hand a whole lot cheaper. And the all-in reraise... Well I guess it was right but for all the wrong reasons. Just looks a bit silly now that I managed to do what I was trying to avoid. Thanks for your help! J9.
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#6
11-16-2005, 10:44 AM
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Re: 99 overpair out of position on $100NL 6max
I guess the lession learned is, If you feel your strong enough to continue. Make another bet that shows strenght.
I can think of a dozen hands this week, that I probably let go in a stuation like this. Wasnt sure on the turn and make a weak bet, but what i did was basically a check that cost money. good post.
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