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11-15-2005, 03:33 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
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wrt the split of mid/high to mid and high, i dunno, is there really either enough traffic for that or enough problems to warrant that? [/ QUOTE ] I think you are misunderstanding the goal here (or at least what I think the goal should be). I don't see want to see mid/high turn into two forums. I want to see (small + mid/high) collectively turn into three forums rather than the current two. The new "high" forum would be similar to today's mid/high forum. The new "mid" forum would include both the top end of the current small stakes forum and the low end of the current mid/high forum. 15/30 and 20/40 games are very popular and important and currently have no real home. Some people, like jason_t, are posting those hands in small stakes. If I have a live 20/40 hand, that's where I post it as well, but having 20/40 hands alongside 2/4 hands is not good. Other people post those hands in mid/high, but that isn't good either as they mostly get neglected there because everyone is interested in bigger games. I think it would make much more sense to have small stakes be mainly for 2/4 through 5/10 (also live 6/12 - 9/18 games) since these games are fairly similar and then have a mid stakes forum for roughly 10/20 - 20/40 (plus live 10/20 - 40/80) games, and then have a high stakes forum where people can keep posting online 30/60 hands, live 80/160 hands and so forth. These seem to be the natural communities we have now anyone and it would be good if each had its own forum. The exact boundaries between the forums are debatable (should live 10/20 be in small stakes), and I think in general it's better to have rough guidelines and let people post where they feel is appropriate. In the TStone letter thread in NVG, you'll see longtime respected posters like Rick Nebiolo (I think; going from memory here) saying they don't post hands in mid/high anymore because their lower mid-limit hands aren't really well received alongside the usual 50/100 hands. I feel the same way and haven't been posting there as much. 
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#2
11-15-2005, 03:43 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
consider what a difference simply separating internet and casino games would do. each side would have a welcome and defined culture instead of the veteran/whipper-snapper back and forth that is now standard in midhigh.
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#3
11-15-2005, 03:48 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
I don't think it would work well because there are so many more online poker posted than live poker hands. The live forum would be a ghost town and the interent forum would be the same as today's mid/high except that when someone has an interesting live hand they would be told "don't post that here". People like having a "home" forum. Those of us who play middle stakes both live and online would feel comfortable in a mid-stakes forum. Most people who post live hands also play online, so they would rather just post both hands in their "regular" forum with the same community. You would still have online 15/30 hands hands going in small stakes alongside online 2/4 hands.
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#4
11-15-2005, 03:59 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
i can assure you that a lot of the reason that you think the live forum would be a ghost town is that regulars were put off by internet hands and the lack of culture and simply stopped posting. activity inspires other activity. people aren't inspired by one good b&m hand in a sea of "30/60 AK NO READS" hand converter dumps, and those hand converter dumps do still deserve a place.
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#5
11-15-2005, 04:02 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
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i can assure you that a lot of the reason that you think the live forum would be a ghost town is that regulars were put off by internet hands and the lack of culture and simply stopped posting. activity inspires other activity. people aren't inspired by one good b&m hand in a sea of "30/60 AK NO READS" hand converter dumps, and those hand converter dumps do still deserve a place. [/ QUOTE ] Have you been reading my mind again? [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] Are we still on for Sunday, after the game, behind the dumpster? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]
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#6
11-15-2005, 04:04 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
i honestly have a thing for women with shaved heads
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#7
11-15-2005, 07:08 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
I'd like to make changes slowly. Can we wait on this potential split?
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#8
11-15-2005, 07:31 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
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I'd like to make changes slowly. Can we wait on this potential split? [/ QUOTE ] i think it would be best to make the changes much more slowly: just split HUSH and add a forum suggestion forum. look into the variance/bad beat forum more thoroughly before adding it. if it is added, don't call it 'rants and raves' or that sort of thing because of the overlap with OOT. if it's just going to be a 'trash can', it seems unlikely that people would be interested in poring through it in order to find something of interest. if it's just going to get moved and not seen, is it very different from a lock or a delete? keep mid/high as-is and discuss an internet/casino separation in lieu of breaking it up by limits any further. i feel i'm particularly qualified to weigh in on this as a longtime midhigh veteran. GoT and felicia, also veterans, seemed to strongly agree with me. the HUSH people have been going nuts about a split for ages. messing with midhigh is a controversial topic.
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#9
11-15-2005, 08:16 PM
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Re: Chuck\'s ready to make a change
What would your list look like?
I think we can safely add a badbeat forum, which can still serve as a garbage dump for silly threads. Chuck wants this by tonight so if anyone else has alist that improves upon mine go ahead and post it. I'll give them all to Chuck with my recommendation and let him decide.
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