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Old 11-12-2005, 12:15 PM
Vote4Pedro Vote4Pedro is offline
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

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sb was a passive calling station.
bb was a donky LAG.

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If this is the kind of sb who'll always defend his blind and never fold postflop, I don't really like stealing with AXo hands. Also, how laggy/donkish is the BB? I assume hes capable of semibluffing a 3-frush board, so I like raising this turn.
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:33 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

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sb was a passive calling station.
bb was a donky LAG.

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If this is the kind of sb who'll always defend his blind and never fold postflop, I don't really like stealing with AXo hands. Also, how laggy/donkish is the BB? I assume hes capable of semibluffing a 3-frush board, so I like raising this turn.

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I think raising this turn is a bad idea. I used to raise this turn. Now I don't.
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:44 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

I can see what youre saying, but against the players you've described? Youre ahead of the LAG the majority of the time, and you mentioned he's been taking shots at you, plus the SB isnt folding any piece of the board. Why not make him pay two bets w/ 87o or something ridiculous?

On, the other hand, the pot isnt that big on the turn, so a suckout isnt that devastating...Whats your reasoning for not wanting to raise the turn?
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Old 11-12-2005, 12:52 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

I don't like raising the turn for the simple reason that the sb is padding the pot. Why would I want to push him out? I have a player who I'm pretty sure I have beat betting at me, plus another player calling hopelessly along. By raising I say, 'well actually, you're both fecked,' and there's a good chance they'll fold. I don't want them to fold.
Plus there is the possibility that I'm already beat. Wouldn't it suck big huge donkey balls to raise the turn and get reraised in such an average size pot?
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:07 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

SB is almost never hopelessly tagging along in this situation, there are way too many draws and your hand is way too vulnerable to let him get off easily. From the first couple of posts, I got the impression that he doesnt fold anything, so why not give him the opportunity to call two?

Getting 3bet by a lagtard doesnt suck all that badly, imo, because the majority of the time youre gonna be ahead when you make the initial raise, and who knows...he might be 3betting with a shittier hand, either way, I'm showing down against "crazy LAG".
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:13 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

He was a LAG but he wasn't crazy. The calling station would fold to a double bet on the turn when obviously beat.
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Old 11-12-2005, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: A blind steal - A4o

I like it. The pot is small so getting suckout will not keep you up all night. Let the small blind probably pad the pot for you and dingus (BB). If dingus is ahead you've lost the least while advertising that you'll keep him honest. If BB is behind why should we let him know that when we can keep SB in too.
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