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Old 11-07-2005, 08:56 PM
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Default Re: $22 on the bubble

I'm curious: what's your plan if there are overcards on the flop? Check and fold to a bet? Bet? How much? If villian calls your bet, what do you do on the turn?

I'm not being critical of your answer, I'm just trying to better understand the thinking. This seems like it is a common enough situation (at or near the bubble, mid-pair in a blind, facing a raise from someone who has me covered) that there ought to be some sort of standard line. And, I'm trying to start recognizing recurring situations so that I can play them more routinely.
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Old 11-07-2005, 10:42 PM
DPCondit DPCondit is offline
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I call and see a flop. Im not ready to commit my whole stack with 99 here.

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Old 11-08-2005, 10:38 AM
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I call and see a flop. Im not ready to commit my whole stack with 99 here.

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The problem with calling here is that the BB has not yet acted as another poster already observed. BB could easily call for another 200 to hope for a good flop or even be thinking about making a move. So, you are in atight spot here.

Apart from folding, I like reraising to 800 here. Seems to be wrong. That's right! You are risking some here. If you are getting reraised pf you had likely bet into an overpair or AK. OTH, if I were villain and had AA or KK or AK would I put you all-in? Dunno, but I would probably swing for the fences and just call.

If I get to see the flop, I would go all-in on most flops unless it contains 2 out of Q,K,A .

Or you just fold preflop.
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Old 11-07-2005, 07:54 AM
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i call and see the flop. if any scare cards flop i prolly check fold the flop...especially becuase of ur read on him
i wouldnt commit my hole stack at any point in the hand unless i had a set or something better
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:45 PM
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i wouldnt commit my hole stack at any point in the hand unless i had a set or something better



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So you are simply playing for set value? Even if you hit your set, you are unlikely to stack him unless he has an overpair or TP, you don't have the implied odds here to simply play for set value. If the flop is all unders are you willing to go allin on this flop? If there is one over what's the plan if he min bets?

I don't think the risk/reward is really worth it here.
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Old 11-07-2005, 08:21 PM
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Well i folded preflop. The reasons for this were:

a) I generally suck at postflop play and as Hyperion said I would end up dumping alot of chips here.

b)If i reraised he would call with a,k or a bigger hand and i would be screwed.

But know that i think about calling and seeing what happens might have been a better play.
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Old 11-07-2005, 11:05 PM
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I hate just calling here.

You're the small blind, you've got a BB behind to act who has T1000 behind after posting a T200 big blind. With the min-raise and your call behind he's getting 5-1 to call and at least 2-1 if he pushes and is called. Assuming he's smart, you both have reasonable calling ranges and he has any FE, you both are offering him a great scenario to take this away from you if you call. Pushing from the BB there with almost any two (or calling and pushing any flop, a three-handed stop+go) has gotten me past the bubble against passive opponents many a time.

In your shoes I fold or push. If the PFR is really tight, I tend to push instead - from a typical (i.e. no 2p2 pushbot) $22 opponnent, usually the minraise is a good sign for "I'm a passive bigstack and i want to steal the blinds but don't want to risk too much". So if he's tight and in that situation you've got a lot of FE on a push.

If the short stacks are pretty weak/tight (e.g. 75% of the time), I'll fold and continue to steal from them. I don't mind the other big stack taking down these blinds, I want to combine with him to pop the bubble and take down the two shorties, with the goal of getting heads up no worse than 2-1 underdog.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:03 AM
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If the BB pushes and UTG folds I am calling 99 every day of the week here. Plus, the BB can't stop and go the flop, Hero acts first. Bad advice.
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Old 11-08-2005, 11:16 AM
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If the BB pushes and UTG folds I am calling 99 every day of the week here. Plus, the BB can't stop and go the flop, Hero acts first. Bad advice.

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I know that the BB can't run a traditional stop and go, but what I said is that they can call here and push almost any flop, with the obvious assumption that Hero checks. I mentioned it specifically as a three-handed stop & go with that in mind. Just because you are second to act doesn't mean you can't run the equivilant of a stop and go - if I'm the BB here I'm either pushing or occasionally calling and pushing almost any flop.

I agree about calling if the BB pushes, and certainly wasn't advocating otherwise, but a lot of people on here won't make that call. Regardless, that doesn't change that I hate flat calling here, taking this three way with a pair of nines. Odds are you've got the best hand right now, so I push. If you think the MP's min-raise plus his tightness indicates significant strength, fold.

I hate flat calling a raise on the bubble out of position, with a player to act behind. Because of the odds you're offering the BB, I believe calling in this instance is a FTP mistake.
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Old 11-08-2005, 12:40 PM
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You are either slightly ahead or way behind (given his image). Without a 9 I don't see any flop that you can feel confident in, plus your OOP. I agree with Hyperion and fold pf.
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