2005 Gold Gloves

[imported_The Vibesman]

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How a guy who played for eight years suddenly incrased his range factor and zone rating is a mystery to me

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The theory I've heard (and I'm not really good at crunching stats, so I can't prove/disprove) is that Jeter's sub-par range at short is being covered up by A-Rod's superior range at third; to wit, A-Rod gets to a lot of balls that are traditionally the shortstop's, so Jeter has less missed chances. I don't know enough about the stats to know if this is true or not, but it makes sense to me, as Jeter's stats spiked when A-Rod started playing third there, but visually there's nothing different, he's still just a step-and-dive fielder.

[cdxx]

there's also a theory that Jeter started working on fielding a lot more when ARod got there, because ARod was consistently better than Jeter defensively. part of the deal for ARod might have been that Jeter had to brush up in order to stay at SS.

i am not saying that Jeter has a poor work ethic, but when a better player comes on the team, the captain has to make sure he deserves the defensive spot.

[imported_The Vibesman]

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there's also a theory that Jeter started working on fielding a lot more when ARod got there, because ARod was consistently better than Jeter defensively. part of the deal for ARod might have been that Jeter had to brush up in order to stay at SS.

i am not saying that Jeter has a poor work ethic, but when a better player comes on the team, the captain has to make sure he deserves the defensive spot.

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But would he be able to just "improve" that quickly? As Andy suggested, it's hard to believe that a guy who has been playing for so many years at the same position (even int he same park) would be able to suddenly improve his game like that.

[andyfox]

I remember last year, Jeter said it was his best year. He said especially defensively, he felt he was an improved player. So there might be something in what you say about his consciously making an effort to improve defensively.

[sublime]

jeter went from being awful at SS (yes kids, he was that bad) to average during arod year one to above average in year two of arod at 3b. the x factor is obvious.

only in NY can the best baseball player in the world be underrated and overlooked.

[Dynasty]

NL Gold Gloves: Maddux wins 15th

2005 NL Gold Glove winners

P Greg Maddux, Chi. Cubs 15

C Mike Matheny, San Francisco 4

1B Derrek Lee, Chi. Cubs 2

2B Luis Castillo, Florida 3

SS Omar Vizquel, San Francisco 10

3B Mike Lowell, Florida 1

OF Andruw Jones, Atlanta 8

OF Jim Edmonds, St. Louis 8

OF Bobby Abreu, Philadelphia 1

[Sluss]

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OF Bobby Abreu, Philadelphia 1

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This is pretty bad. Abreu is close to being the third best defensive outfielder on the Phillies and Pat Burrell is in left field.

Of course that does make up for the fact that Jimmy Rollins is a much better fielder at this point than Omar Vizquel. And FWIW, so is Adam Everett. But, Everett will probably never win one because he is not good enough at the plate. And yes, I know this is a fielding award.

[cokehead]

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1B Derrek Lee, Chi. Cubs 2


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Lee has now won both the silver slugger and golden glove awards, being voted the best offensive first baseman in the league, as well as the best defensive first baseman. And somehow Pujols, another first baseman in the league, will likely be MVP. doesn't seem right.

[technologic]

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jeter went from being awful at SS (yes kids, he was that bad) to average during arod year one to above average in year two of arod at 3b. the x factor is obvious.

only in NY can the best baseball player in the world be underrated and overlooked.

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what do you mean sublime? arod PWNS. i turn on numb/encore every time he steps to plate cause he's ready to cook some raw with the brooklyn boys.

[Jack of Arcades]

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Jeter has apparently improved his fielding the last couple of years. At least according to range factor and zones rating. How a guy who played for eight years suddenly incrased his range factor and zone rating is a mystery to me.

But what do you guys think?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/stats/fiel...umn=rangeFactor

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His UZR this year was still the worst for all shortstops.