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So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. |
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[ QUOTE ] So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, against a donk or a maniac who will raise with "anything" I understand that a 3-bet is in order. Im with you, but can you clearify why a call is much better than a 3-bet against a normal thinking player? I use to 3-bet here almost any time and that might be a leak of mine then. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. [/ QUOTE ] Ok, against a donk or a maniac who will raise with "anything" I understand that a 3-bet is in order. Im with you, but can you clearify why a call is much better than a 3-bet against a normal thinking player? I use to 3-bet here almost any time and that might be a leak of mine then. [/ QUOTE ] The problem with 3-betting is that it very often announces your hand as KK/AA (this is in normal situations with normal raising standards, i.e. blind defense situations this does not necessarily apply), so you lose a lot of value against JJ/QQ but still lose a lot against AA. |
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Villian minraises before the flop, imho that will mean AK, JJ, QQ much more often than AA, will that not make sence?
And IF you call and the flop comes something like 732 r, how do you normally proceed? |
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[ QUOTE ] So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. [/ QUOTE ] It is actually a non-monotonic function. If he is really bad, then 3-betting is good, then as he gets better 3-betting get worse, then as he gets really good 3-betting gets better again. There are many people whom I will regularly 3-bet with KK. And without KK. |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. [/ QUOTE ] It is actually a non-monotonic function. If he is really bad, then 3-betting is good, then as he gets better 3-betting get worse, then as he gets really good 3-betting gets better again. There are many people whom I will regularly 3-bet with KK. And without KK. [/ QUOTE ] What do you think is the best against the normal good (but not greeeeeat) 2/4 6-max player at party, just call huh? |
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] It's wrong unless they guy is a donk in some manner or another. [/ QUOTE ] It is actually a non-monotonic function. If he is really bad, then 3-betting is good, then as he gets better 3-betting get worse, then as he gets really good 3-betting gets better again. There are many people whom I will regularly 3-bet with KK. And without KK. [/ QUOTE ] What do you think is the best against the normal good (but not greeeeeat) 2/4 6-max player at party, just call huh? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure. It really depends on the player. Yeah, I guess just call. They are still pretty passive and won't be re-raising JTs here or whatever. |
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So you guys means that 3-bet here is "always" wrong? And a call is megastandard. [/ QUOTE ] If he raised more than a min-raised I'd feel better about flat-calling, but I don't mind a 3-bet vs a min-raise |
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honestly, im shocked. most limit players never fold here.
REALLY NICE LAYDOWN. seriously. |
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If the 3rd raise with KK is a no-no, then what do you do when you're KK is an over pair to the flop? If you're in position than you're probably looking at a bet from any other over pair (AA, QQ, JJ). Then what do you do? You're then faced with a very difficult decision. An even worse situation is when you're out of position in this situation.
I think that against a reasonable opponent, a 3rd raise is not such a bad idea. If you get raised again you can let it go since the 4th raise is nearly always Aces. Of course if most of your stack will be in the pot after the 3rd raise you can just move in. |
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