Official word on Party SnG with VIP

[ctv1116]

SnG players produce nothing for Party Poker compared to the limit players.

[krishanleong]

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SnG players produce nothing for Party Poker compared to the limit players.

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I pay 35c in rake every hand. Party makes a ton off limit players. How many hands does a tourny last? 60? So I'm paying the equivalent of $21 per tourny. What level sit and go does that equate to? 400 + 21 or something.

Krishan

[Freudian]

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SnG players produce nothing for Party Poker compared to the limit players.

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It is not uncommon for lower limit SnG players to pay four figures of rake each month and for high limit players to pay five figures of rake each month.

Guess we have different definitions of "nothing".

[Sniper]

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It is not uncommon for lower limit SnG players to pay four figures of rake each month and for high limit players to pay five figures of rake each month.

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Reality Check:

1. Exactly how many "low limit SNG players" do you think pay over $1,000+/month in rake?

2. Exactly how many "high limit players" do you think pay over $10,000+/month in rake?

It is very rare, in the grand scheme of things [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[Freudian]

Of course most of the casual players don't. But most of the casual cash game players don't pay a lot of rake either.

As for those that post here on 2+2, many SnG players pay that kind of rake. Over 1000 SnGs/month isn't all that hard to do if you 8-table. Thats 3 hours of play a day on average.

But if cashgamers want to lovebomb each other for being superior in the paying rake department, feel free. Alternatively they can break out their pocket calculator and do some basic math.

[Sniper]

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Of course most of the casual players don't. But most of the casual cash game players don't pay a lot of rake either.

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In the aggregate, the casual masses pay the majority of the rake!

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As for those that post here on 2+2, many SnG players pay that kind of rake. Over 1000 SnGs/month isn't all that hard to do if you 8-table. Thats 3 hours of play a day on average.

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You never answered my questions, so I'll try again... How many 2+2 SNGers do you think play more than 1,000 SNG/month at Party?

[FWIW, Poker Prophesy supposedly is capturing data on 80% of all SNGs played at Party since roughly the beginning of the year... not a single person in the top 50 by ITM rate has 1,000 SNG's for the year!)

[Freudian]

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Of course most of the casual players don't. But most of the casual cash game players don't pay a lot of rake either.

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In the aggregate, the casual masses pay the majority of the rake!

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As for those that post here on 2+2, many SnG players pay that kind of rake. Over 1000 SnGs/month isn't all that hard to do if you 8-table. Thats 3 hours of play a day on average.

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You never answered my questions, so I'll try again... How many 2+2 SNGers do you think play more than 1,000 SNG/month at Party?

[FWIW, Poker Prophesy supposedly is capturing data on 80% of all SNGs played at Party since roughly the beginning of the year... not a single person in the top 50 by ITM rate has 1,000 SNG's for the year!)

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I think the majority of the serious posters in the STT-forum do.

As for pokerprophecy, it hasn't caught 80% of my SnGs. It hasn't even caught 30%. It is crap. And since the top 50 consists of people being on super-heaters it would be idiocy to assume they are all full time multi-tablers.

I play low limit SnGs (22s) and haven't had a month below four figure MGR, even when I was only using one monitor. It doesn't take a superhuman effort to play a lot of SnGs.

When you 8-table, you play 10-12 tables/hour (depending on how quick they start up new ones after getting knocked out). Assuming 10 tables/hr a SnG player pays this much rake.

6s: $10/h
11s: $10/h
22s: $20/h
33s: $30/h
55s: $50/h
109s: $90/h
215s: $150/h

Like I said, the math isn't all that complicated. I am sure someone 8-tabling the higher cash games pay more rake, but it hardly towers over the SnG rake so it is reduced to "nothing".

And it should be obvious that Party counting each $ paid in SnG tourney fee = being in a cash game hand that is raked, is a joke. Does one-tabling the NL25 equate to 8-tabling the $50+5 SnGs? Because they clear at the same pace with this math.

[Sniper]

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I play low limit SnGs (22s) and haven't had a month below four figure MGR, even when I was only using one monitor. It doesn't take a superhuman effort to play a lot of SnGs.

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Ok, that makes *1*... still trying to figure out how many people you think are in this category?

BTW, I agree with you that Party should offer a special incentive to high volume SNG players, thats tailored to their play.

Have you tried emailing the VIP Group and asking specifically for an offer based on SNG play?

[ripped]

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SnG players produce nothing for Party Poker compared to the limit players.

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some sng players pay over $25,000 a month in rake. I guess thats "nothing"


Do limit players pay $240 an hour in rake? Because some sng'ers do.

Love it when a limit player tries to justify something they know nothing about.

[PTjvs]

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SnG players produce nothing for Party Poker compared to the limit players.

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some sng players pay over $25,000 a month in rake. I guess thats "nothing"


Do limit players pay $240 an hour in rake? Because some sng'ers do.

Love it when a limit player tries to justify something they know nothing about.

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This seems incredibly unrealistic. At 200+15. you'd have to run 16 200+15s an hour. How many SNGers seriously play this sort of volume? Not very damn many compared to 5 figure MGR ring gamers.