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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
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Thx for the post Isura, I am just using some autorate rules I found in the forum, this is something I am definitely look into. [/ QUOTE ] I don't use autorate type rules in no-limit. For example, Player A and B can both have 30/10/2 stats but play totally different styles. Player A could attain those stats by minraising a lot, raising without consideration of position, and betting small/weak postflop (e.g. making dark tunnel bets). Player A could be a habitual slowplayer, but at the same time love to bluff in obvious spots. Player B may actually make normal preflop raises and reraises, consider position (e.g. makes isolation raises), bet his good hands, and check/folds his weak hands, and rarely check/raises. B could be completely predictable and be easier to play against than A. The VP/PFR stats can be useful to get a feel for the range of hands villain could be playing, but they are not helpful for much else. |
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
Here are the results of the hand, I c/c turn and decided to block/value bet river, is there a better amount to bet here?
Still curious as to what y'all might put villain on, I really have no clue. Thanks for the posts guys [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (8 handed) converter SB ($8.35) BB ($31.55) UTG ($24.75) Hero ($28.05) MP1 ($6.40) MP2 ($38.30) CO ($29.85) Button ($14.85) Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. UTG calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $1.75</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $1.50. Flop: ($4.10) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.75</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $5.5</font>, Hero calls $3.75. Turn: ($15.10) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 bets $4.5</font>, Hero calls $4.50. River: ($24.10) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $7</font>, MP2 folds. Final Pot: $31.10 |
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 60 hands with MP2 LAG 35.59/11.86/2.17 [/ QUOTE ] That's not lag. You guys need to start understanding how to use these stats effectively. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty laggy for full table. [/ QUOTE ] I initially thought the hand was from 6-max. Nevertheless, 11% is more moderately aggressive and slightly loose PREFLOP. It tells us very little about how villain will play after the flop. |
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] 60 hands with MP2 LAG 35.59/11.86/2.17 [/ QUOTE ] That's not lag. You guys need to start understanding how to use these stats effectively. [/ QUOTE ] That's pretty laggy for full table. [/ QUOTE ] I initially thought the hand was from 6-max. Nevertheless, 11% is more moderately aggressive and slightly loose PREFLOP. It tells us very little about how villain will play after the flop. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I understand that/agree. And I had to double check to see it was 8-handed, since I only play 6-max myself. I was just saying that his VPIP is pretty loose for a full table. His PFR% is not very aggressive, though. And 2.17 for his AF is also pretty standard, but sometimes I get confused since I am an aggro 6m'er. |
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
Bet $3 on the flop, then raise all in when he raises.
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
Bet at least $12 on the river. That weak ass bet begs to be raised.
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
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Bet more on the flop. Then you can decide to 3-bet or CR turn, depending on what you prefer. I like a 3-bet since a lot of cards will come on the turn that are scare cards (more for him than for you). -T [/ QUOTE ] he didn't even bet the flop he just called. pot that flop, inflate the pot. if the heart hits c/c it to the river if fill up wake up! |
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
I call here. Gamble a bit hoping a fourth heart doesnt fall. I dont like raising as you could be drawing slim. I call and see what the river brings.
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Re: Extracting Value with Top Set
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[ QUOTE ] Bet more on the flop. Then you can decide to 3-bet or CR turn, depending on what you prefer. I like a 3-bet since a lot of cards will come on the turn that are scare cards (more for him than for you). -T [/ QUOTE ] he didn't even bet the flop he just called. pot that flop, inflate the pot. if the heart hits c/c it to the river if fill up wake up! [/ QUOTE ] He did bet the flop, but only about 1/3 pot. Reread the hand. This is where he messed it up, IMO. -T |
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