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My first hand in a while...
Sorry I haven't been posting lately, I've been swamped with school work. I finally got to play today and here's a hand I have a question about...
Ultimate Bet 0.01/0.02 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.01. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls. Flop: (11 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 folds. Turn: (10 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, Hero checks. River: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: 13 BB Results: Hero has Kh Qd (straight, king high). BB has 3c 9c (one pair, nines). UTG+1 has Th Kd (one pair, tens). Outcome: Hero wins 13 BB. Was it ok for me to take the free card or should I have pushed the pot? |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
At this limit... I bet that every time.
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Re: My first hand in a while...
Looks good.
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Re: My first hand in a while...
I'm not sure what a turn bet would accomplish for you. If this were 2 handed or maybe even 3 handed then it's possible you could be best with King high and a bet might force out lower cards that could pair up or set you up for a steal on the river, but at least one of your 3 opponents has a pair of something and they aren't letting go of it in this large pot.
You aren't going to fold a better King or a better Q either. Some worse hands are going to call which lessens the cost of a bet, but I don't think you're making a profit on it. So a bet doesn't protect your hand (even a gutshot will have odds to call), nor does it have immediate value since you're just too likely to be behind to at least a pair. So, I would take this free card pretty much every time, though I have never played lower than .50/1 so I could be making some poor assumptions. Actually, a limit like $1/$2 is probably the perfect limit to bet this against the right opponents since you can get the weak-tighties to make a "big laydown", but at .50/1 and probably anything lower you just get "weak" and not so much tight. Anyway, I don't think a bet loses you much since you do have some decent equity, but I wouldn't recommend it. |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
played 100% perfectly!
i love the free card!!!!!! i win so much $ with it, its disgusting. |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
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At this limit... I bet that every time. [/ QUOTE ] why? what will betting accomplish? |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
Thanks for the feedback everyone, I guess I the books are helping. =)
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Re: My first hand in a while...
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[ QUOTE ] At this limit... I bet that every time. [/ QUOTE ] why? what will betting accomplish? [/ QUOTE ] More options for winning on river or turn (even if you miss you give yourself a chance to win this pot) , larger pot (implied odds at this limit) Not saying that taking the free card here is wrong. Just that i'll bet it. |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
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[ QUOTE ] At this limit... I bet that every time. [/ QUOTE ] why? what will betting accomplish? [/ QUOTE ] Taking the free card on the turn is fine, however I think betting is better. The reason is that you may take it down right there. If you miss on the river you're likely beaten, so a bet allows you a bit of fold equity right now. You've been the aggressor, so you have that edge. I like the free card if you think you'll induce a bluff from an EP player and hopefully be able to raise a bunch of players if you hit. However, other than a little resistance early in the hand, the others have been pretty passive, so I can't really think a bluff is coming. With this many players in, I'd prefer to bet it and either take it down or build a bigger pot for myself should I hit the hand. The free card play is a great tool, but I think in this particular situation you have great equity with plenty of opponents who will pay you off. Regards, T |
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Re: My first hand in a while...
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The reason is that you may take it down right there. [/ QUOTE ] I think you have a 0% chance of all three opponents folding to a single turn bet. [ QUOTE ] If you miss on the river you're likely beaten, so a bet allows you a bit of fold equity right now. You've been the aggressor, so you have that edge. [/ QUOTE ] If you don't hit on the river, you're absolutely beaten, unless you think all your opponents (including the one who bet into you as the preflop raiser) can't beat K high. Betting this turn also means inevitably betting the river and hoping everyone else folds since your hand has little showdown value. [ QUOTE ] With this many players in, I'd prefer to bet it and either take it down or build a bigger pot for myself should I hit the hand. The free card play is a great tool, but I think in this particular situation you have great equity with plenty of opponents who will pay you off. [/ QUOTE ] You have 8 clean outs to the nuts (four aces, four nines). Your overcards are worth about 3 outs. 11 outs gives us a little less than 25% pot equity. So even if you bet and all players call, your bet is not even EV neutral. In a situation like this, I would take the free card every time. At nano-limits, opponents take the craziest hands to show down. There's no way you're winning this hand unless you hit on the river. |
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