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Old 10-11-2005, 05:10 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: AA PF

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You don't want the whole table to call, because then you are only like a 35% favorite to win.

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If we're going all in, I want everybody else to call.
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:22 PM
Falcon1511 Falcon1511 is offline
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Default Re: AA PF

lol, if everyone calls all-in I would love it too if I had aces. You have an equity edge on the pot. Just don't be mad when you lose over 60% of the time.
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:23 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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9:1 on a 2:1 bet = +EV!!
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:46 PM
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Default Re: AA PF

Reads: Lresono is true maniac, bunk a sLAG

$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:01:24 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 1: Lresono ( $306.65 )
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $80.07 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $95.50 )
Traumacide posts small blind [$0.50].
SaraDarling posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]][A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Lresono calls [$1].
bunk05 calls [$1].
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience raises [$5].
Traumacide folds.
SaraDarling folds.
Lresono calls [$4].
bunk05 calls [$4].

** Dealing Flop ** [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
Lresono bets [$10].
bunk05 raises [$20].
consilience is all-In.

bunk05 is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]

** Dealing River ** [T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]]
bunk05 shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] two pairs, aces and tens.

bunk05 wins $173.64 from the main pot with two pairs, aces and tens.

OK reload - at least I have a super loose donk image now..

2 minutes later:
$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:03:56 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $176.24 )
Seat 5: Traumacide ( $112.15 )
Seat 6: SaraDarling ( $109.39 )
Seat 1: Lresono ( $291.65 )
Seat 3: CrazyforNuts ( $115.15 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $100 )
CrazyforNuts posts small blind [$0.50].
consilience posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
Traumacide raises [$4].
SaraDarling folds.
bunk05 calls [$4].
Lresono has left the table.
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience is all-In.
Traumacide calls [$96].
bunk05 folds.

** Dealing Flop ** [T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] [4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
** Dealing Turn ** [5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]]
** Dealing River ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]

Traumacide shows [K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]] high card ace.
consilience shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]] a pair of aces.
consilience wins $202.50 from the main pot with a pair of aces.

AND the very next hand:


$100 NL Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, October 11, 15:04:29 EDT 2005
Table Table 65405 (6 max) (No DP) (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 2: bunk05 ( $172.24 )
Seat 5: Traumacide ( $12.15 )
Seat 6: SaraDarling ( $109.39 )
Seat 3: CrazyforNuts ( $114.65 )
Seat 4: consilience ( $202.50 )
consilience posts small blind [$0.50].
Traumacide posts big blind [$1].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to consilience [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
SaraDarling calls [$1].
bunk05 folds.
CrazyforNuts folds.
consilience calls [$0.50].
Traumacide checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [7 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]]
consilience bets [$1].
Traumacide folds.
SaraDarling raises [$2].
consilience raises [$9].
SaraDarling raises [$33].
consilience is all-In.
SaraDarling is all-In.
** Dealing Turn ** [6 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
** Dealing River ** [K [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]]
SaraDarling shows [A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]], [A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] a pair of aces.
consilience shows [7 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] [8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]] two pairs, eights and sevens.
consilience wins $93.11 from side pot #1 with two pairs, eights and sevens.
consilience wins $217.78 from the main pot with two pairs, eights and sevens.
Traumacide has left the table.

Hmm - and they say you can't invest in an image on the $100 tables [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

[seriously I know how lucky I got here but clearly the all in push with AA was the right move in hand two as it must have looked like I was on tilt]
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:50 PM
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Default Re: AA PF

hahaha , nice ones :P
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: AA PF

against good players, they would not change views on you based on hand one as it is fairly standard.

pushing big draws against those who don't know the odds are definitely helpful to your image though.

but you also have to adjust to your continuation bets getting less respect.
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Old 10-11-2005, 05:55 PM
Big_Jim Big_Jim is offline
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Default Re: AA PF

Uh.... so?

Hand 1: How does pushing with AKs and a flush draw make you look like a donk?

Hand 2:
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clearly the all in push with AA was the right move in hand two as it must have looked like I was on tilt

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If you're fairly sure that you can get calls from hands as weak as AQ or AJ here, then I think that it's fine... but if they need hands as good as AK+.... they fold way too often for this to be the right play.

I have no idea where this great table image you're claiming you have comes from... it's certainly not from these hands.

Hand 3: Nobody at these stakes will ever fold AA on that flop. You played your hand as transparently as possible and got lucky that villian is an idiot. She probably didn't even see the previous hands.
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Old 10-11-2005, 06:24 PM
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Default Re: AA PF

LOL some folks just have no sense of irony [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

Notwithstanding that it's probably a standard 2+2 move, pushing a full stack on the line in on a flush draw with apparent overpair outs is IMHO a maniac move - you lose 3 out of 4 times vs a set and 2/3 of the time vs AA or 2 pair - you are also marginal dog vs KK - you have the edge over the rest of the overpairs and TPTK but you really have to be playing with a lot of calling stations to make this +EV - it's not a play that's anything other than overaggressive and usually made by folks uncomfortable with actually playing the hand..
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Old 10-11-2005, 06:26 PM
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Default Re: AA PF

it requires a good read which you believe that your opponent will let go of his hand, then it comes to fold equity
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