Standard laydown 200 NL

#1 10-11-2005, 08:06 AM

No reads on villain. Standard laydown?

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CO ($195.95)
Hero ($264.80)
SB ($244.60)
BB ($200)
UTG ($200)
UTG+1 ($328.60)
UTG+2 ($891.40)
MP1 ($195)
MP2 ($683.09)
MP3 ($267.10)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1.
7 folds, Hero raises to $8, 1 fold, BB calls $6.

Flop: ($17) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $17, BB raises to $47, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $81

#2 10-11-2005, 08:26 AM

I don't like it, especially since he may think you are on a steal. I would call this and reevaulate on the turn, since I can see a flush draw or a worse ace here a lot.

Dumle

4_2_it · #3 10-11-2005, 10:34 AM

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I don't like it, especially since he may think you are on a steal. I would call this and reevaulate on the turn, since I can see a flush draw or a worse ace here a lot.

Dumle

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With the preflop call and the A [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] out I wouldn't be concerned about a flush draw. Villain is either trying to steal or trying to proect his 2-pair or set of queens. If villain is a decent player, I fold and wait for a better spot.

If I am continuing in the hand I am torn between a call and re-raise. By calling your stack is basically committed so if your read is villain is drawing or stealing then push.

Note that I have to have a very solid read on villain to push with TPTK. I think fold is not a bad play against most decent NL $200 players.

#4 10-11-2005, 10:39 AM

You don't think villains calling standards are lower than usual, given that Hero raised first in on the button? I think a hand such as T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] must be considered.

Also, since you aren't really afraid of the flush draw, why push here? It's better to call and let him continue his bluff if he's on a steal, no?

Dumle

troymclur · #5 10-11-2005, 10:41 AM

I seriously doubt he's going to have a set of queens. 88 and AQ are the only possibilities, but given the play as is i probably would have folded as well. If you're not willing to push, then fold is good. And its not a move you should feel too bad about.

actually, now that i think about it i don't mind a call/fold if strength is continued. you could be in a good position to steal against two-pair set if a scare card comes out. if a blank, and BB checks, you're good. Blank and BB moves, fold.

4_2_it · #6 10-11-2005, 10:48 AM

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Also, since you aren't really afraid of the flush draw, why push here? It's better to call and let him continue his bluff if he's on a steal, no?

Dumle

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If I am staying in this hand then my remaining stack is less then the turn pot and I am committed to calling anything. Better to put villain to the test. You might get a better hand (AQ) to fold if you represent AA or QQ.

Again, I believe a fold is the correct play, but if your read on villain says to continue, your stack is going in on the turn anyway. Villain knows you aren't on a draw so a [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] won't scare him either.

If villain is playing 10 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] this aggressively here, there will be plenty of better spots to trap him for his stack.

#7 10-11-2005, 10:49 AM

I either fold or push depending on the villain. With no read I would lean towards folding, although I don't think it makes a huge difference in long term EV either way.

crosse91 · #8 10-11-2005, 01:11 PM

what hands call a push here that you beat?

goofball · #9 10-11-2005, 02:10 PM

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what hands call a push here that you beat?

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Pushing doesn't seem good at all for this reason. Even if we think we have teh best hand, he's calling our push with very few worse hands.

Youopened on the button and he called, his range for that is huge. I like a call/reevaluate on the turn. He couldn easily just be restealing.

#10 10-11-2005, 02:17 PM

IMO a bad villain could easily call this push w/ a weak ace or some sort of strong draw.