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I dislike AQ example 1
I dont know if I had any reads or not, so lets assume unknown.
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls. Flop: (7.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. Turn: (4.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. River: (6.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 6.66 BB |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
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I dont know if I had any reads or not, so lets assume unknown. Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG calls. Flop: (7.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. Turn: (4.66 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG calls. River: (6.66 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 6.66 BB [/ QUOTE ] I'm folding AQo here without reads, though some might think that's too weak. |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
Seems fine to me. Preflop is iffy. Otherwise I play it the same.
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
And . . . ?
I play this the same way without reads. And how is this really about AQ? The queen could be a king and it'd play the same way. |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
This a clear preflop mistake. It is a leak. You should stop REGULARLY 3-betting AQo without a read that tells you this player raises junk; even if they are a semi-loose raiser, it is usually a mistake to play this hand. You are behind too many hands that are raised here. what are you hoping? They have a small pocket pair? KQ? AJ? JJ? 1010?; these are the best possible scenerios for you.
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
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This a clear preflop mistake. It is a leak. You should stop REGULARLY 3-betting AQo without a read that tells you this player raises junk; even if they are a semi-loose raiser, it is usually a mistake to play this hand. You are behind too many hands that are raised here. what are you hoping? They have a small pocket pair? KQ? AJ? JJ? 1010?; these are the best possible scenerios for you. [/ QUOTE ] I want others comments on this |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
Why did you reraise an UTG raiser with a weak dominated hand? By doing so it just makes your decisions on later streets that much harder. But since your in the hand, I dont have a problem with how you played it, although you could very well be beat by a pocket pair. I probably would have taken the free card on the turn. Hopefully the river saved you if villain did not have a pocket pair and had AK instead.
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
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[ QUOTE ] This a clear preflop mistake. It is a leak. You should stop REGULARLY 3-betting AQo without a read that tells you this player raises junk; even if they are a semi-loose raiser, it is usually a mistake to play this hand. You are behind too many hands that are raised here. what are you hoping? They have a small pocket pair? KQ? AJ? JJ? 1010?; these are the best possible scenerios for you. [/ QUOTE ] I want others comments on this [/ QUOTE ] Hellite is right that automatically three-betting AQo is a mistake in general. This sort of scenario is the exact sort of one you should be thinking hard about: getting AQ against a raiser from very early position. But, again, the major thing you need to realize is that pre-flop play is conditional. Without reads, I'd fold here. On the other hand, I voted that I'd three-bet against the MP1 unknown open-raiser. For me, that slight variation in position swings the decision. But, really, the point is that you should be making these decisions based on your knowledge of your opponents and their playing standards. Thinking in terms of "what is my opponent's range likely to be" and "does AQo hold up well against that range" is the best approach. If, for example, you've seen villain raise hands like KJo, ATo, or 55 in the past, I think three-betting his UTG raise would be correct. If villain is a known LAG or, even better, a maniac, failing to three-bet in this situation would be a big error. |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
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[ QUOTE ] This a clear preflop mistake. It is a leak. You should stop REGULARLY 3-betting AQo without a read that tells you this player raises junk; even if they are a semi-loose raiser, it is usually a mistake to play this hand. You are behind too many hands that are raised here. what are you hoping? They have a small pocket pair? KQ? AJ? JJ? 1010?; these are the best possible scenerios for you. [/ QUOTE ] I want others comments on this [/ QUOTE ] If we were running this hot/cold the sim from PS would look something like this: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 47.8825 % 40.55% 07.33% { AcQd } Hand 2: 52.1175 % 44.78% 07.33% { TT+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo } As you can see - we're behind, but it's close. I realize that we're not always running all flops to the river. That's exactly why I think that our favorable position, strong holding and PF initiative with a 3-bet can swing these hot/cold PS numbers in our favor with good post-flop play. Personally, I think that 3-betting gives us a lot more chances to win against hands that are dominating us now (i.e. AK, TT) when they miss and we're able to steal on the flop. This isn't going to happen if you call - and it's obviously not going to happen if you fold. I think that chance to fold a better hand (a BIG FTOP victory) + the number of times we dominate a loose raiser makes this a +EV play (however close it may, or may not, be). There's no way I'm ever folding this here - and I think people that are suggesting we should are missing out on a significant amount of value. |
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Re: I dislike AQ example 1
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] This a clear preflop mistake. It is a leak. You should stop REGULARLY 3-betting AQo without a read that tells you this player raises junk; even if they are a semi-loose raiser, it is usually a mistake to play this hand. You are behind too many hands that are raised here. what are you hoping? They have a small pocket pair? KQ? AJ? JJ? 1010?; these are the best possible scenerios for you. [/ QUOTE ] I want others comments on this [/ QUOTE ] If we were running this hot/cold the sim from PS would look something like this: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 47.8825 % 40.55% 07.33% { AcQd } Hand 2: 52.1175 % 44.78% 07.33% { TT+, AJs+, KQs, AJo+, KQo } As you can see - we're behind, but it's close. I realize that we're not always running all flops to the river. That's exactly why I think that our favorable position, strong holding and PF initiative with a 3-bet can swing these hot/cold PS numbers in our favor with good post-flop play. Personally, I think that 3-betting gives us a lot more chances to win against hands that are dominating us now (i.e. AK, TT) when they miss and we're able to steal on the flop. This isn't going to happen if you call - and it's obviously not going to happen if you fold. I think that chance to fold a better hand (a BIG FTOP victory) + the number of times we dominate a loose raiser makes this a +EV play (however close it may, or may not, be). There's no way I'm ever folding this here - and I think people that are suggesting we should are missing out on a significant amount of value. [/ QUOTE ] I though everyone says the 3/6 games are kind of weak-tightish. Sure a 2+2er will have an UTG opening range this big, but I don't think a typical 3/6 player does. |
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