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10-09-2005, 10:03 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Death is the end of all things - there is nothing after that. There is no soul, no heaven no hell. This is true for all life. Knowing this is all you need to know in order to understand why an animal's death matters. It is the end of its existence for all time and that matters to me (most of the time). [/ QUOTE ] So why does it matter? If in death there is no memory, and in death there is no existance, therefore whether you once existed, or will exist is one and the same - moot. 
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10-09-2005, 10:08 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Death is the end of all things - there is nothing after that. There is no soul, no heaven no hell. This is true for all life. Knowing this is all you need to know in order to understand why an animal's death matters. It is the end of its existence for all time and that matters to me (most of the time). [/ QUOTE ] So why does it matter? If in death there is no memory, and in death there is no existance, therefore whether you once existed, or will exist is one and the same - moot. [/ QUOTE ] I have an answer to this one, but it seems like you want the other poster to answer so I'll wait for him. I think there's value in life too and am concerned that life could be it.
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10-09-2005, 10:10 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> </font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> Death is the end of all things - there is nothing after that. There is no soul, no heaven no hell. This is true for all life. Knowing this is all you need to know in order to understand why an animal's death matters. It is the end of its existence for all time and that matters to me (most of the time). [/ QUOTE ] So why does it matter? If in death there is no memory, and in death there is no existance, therefore whether you once existed, or will exist is one and the same - moot. [/ QUOTE ] I have an answer to this one, but it seems like you want the other poster to answer so I'll wait for him. I think there's value in life too and am concerned that life could be it. [/ QUOTE ] I want to hear what you have to say.
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10-09-2005, 07:47 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Death is the end of all things - there is nothing after that. There is no soul, no heaven no hell. This is true for all life. Knowing this is all you need to know in order to understand why an animal's death matters. It is the end of its existence for all time and that matters to me (most of the time). [/ QUOTE ] So why does it matter? If in death there is no memory, and in death there is no existance, therefore whether you once existed, or will exist is one and the same - moot. [/ QUOTE ] Was out all day - sorry I could not respond sooner. Not sure I understand your question. After death (mine) obviously nothing will matter. But while I am alive it all does. I don't understand how you can't see this. Are you trying to say since we all die and after death nothing matters so why does it matter now? The same reason atheists are more moral than theists. Precisely because there is no second chance - this is our only opportunity to make a difference. We screw up now and that's it. No coming back again and trying to do better. Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel).
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10-09-2005, 08:27 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Was out all day - sorry I could not respond sooner. Not sure I understand your question. After death (mine) obviously nothing will matter. But while I am alive it all does. I don't understand how you can't see this. Are you trying to say since we all die and after death nothing matters so why does it matter now? The same reason atheists are more moral than theists. Precisely because there is no second chance - this is our only opportunity to make a difference. We screw up now and that's it. No coming back again and trying to do better. Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel). [/ QUOTE ] You are confusing animal and human life. Do you think there is no difference? What about a fish? A musquito? A virus? Or are you just making a confused argument?
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10-09-2005, 08:44 PM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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[ QUOTE ] Was out all day - sorry I could not respond sooner. Not sure I understand your question. After death (mine) obviously nothing will matter. But while I am alive it all does. I don't understand how you can't see this. Are you trying to say since we all die and after death nothing matters so why does it matter now? The same reason atheists are more moral than theists. Precisely because there is no second chance - this is our only opportunity to make a difference. We screw up now and that's it. No coming back again and trying to do better. Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel). [/ QUOTE ] You are confusing animal and human life. Do you think there is no difference? What about a fish? A musquito? A virus? Or are you just making a confused argument? [/ QUOTE ] I value all life - humans ARE animals. I feel terrible just eating a steak (which I admit I do). Point is, since an animal is also only here this one time I fell great sorrow when one is killed. I wished I believed in re-incarnation or heaven for animals.
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#7
10-10-2005, 04:05 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel). [/ QUOTE ] Get what right?
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#8
10-11-2005, 04:53 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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</font><blockquote><font class="small">En respuesta a:</font><hr /> Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel). [/ QUOTE ] Get what right? [/ QUOTE ]
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10-11-2005, 08:30 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Have to get it right the first and only time here(at least that is how I feel). [/ QUOTE ] Get what right? [/ QUOTE ] [/ QUOTE ] Obviously, that is a common expression. What I mean is that you must make the most of your life while you have a chance. You have to make a difference. I do NOT live my life and make decisions, as others have said here, based on what gives me the most happiness. I consider what is best for society and others (including animals) more so than myself. I do things that make me happy but that is not paramount in my life. I do for others and I don't need a god reference as a moral compass to do that. I know this is off base of the original post but you asked.
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10-11-2005, 08:59 AM
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Re: Animal pain, suffering, and death: why does it matter?
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What I mean is that you must make the most of your life while you have a chance. You have to make a difference. I do NOT live my life and make decisions, as others have said here, based on what gives me the most happiness. I consider what is best for society and others (including animals) more so than myself. I do things that make me happy but that is not paramount in my life. I do for others and I don't need a god reference as a moral compass to do that. I know this is off base of the original post but you asked. [/ QUOTE ] So you sacrifice your own happiness first and foremost for that of the state?
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