Why all the secrecy here? - Page 2

rwesty · #1 10-03-2005, 10:18 PM

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Your level of professionalism is apparent. If you are so confident, why are you afraid of the discussion of rates? Seems you should welcome all competitors if you really are the best.

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Obviously affiliateEV is making way more cash than they deserve. Basically all affiliates are making more than they deserve. Eventually more information will be known, but until then all of the affiliates will work hard to keep the secrets to themselves and attempt to make the most money that they can. I have a feeling there will be some drastic changes in how rakeback is handled in the future. There's too much money being made too easily with too many secrets.

sublime · #2 10-03-2005, 11:19 PM

Basically all affiliates are making more than they deserve. Eventually more information will be known, but until then all of the affiliates will work hard to keep the secrets to themselves and attempt to make the most money that they can. I have a feeling there will be some drastic changes in how rakeback is handled in the future. There's too much money being made too easily with too many secrets.

There really are no secrets. You could find out all there is to know in a few hours if you were ambitious enough.

Here is the problem with discussing rakeback %'s in laymen's terms (hopefully).

Joe asks about various rakeback %'s that are given.

Tim responds that he gets X%, which happens to be more than Joe has been offered by the affiliates he has contacted. Joe then demands he gets AT LEAST that %. Of course he WILL get it from some affiliate. The problem with this is Tim doesn't tell Joe, that:

He is a pro who plays 30k hands a month and has either been with this affiliate for a long period of time OR was referred by another player to the affiliate under the assumption that he would get this %.

Even if Tim did tell Joe this info, Joe wouldn't care. He now has someone saying he gets a certain % on a massive internet forum and he will use that % as his bargaining chip, despite the fact that he plays 1/2 and generates a very small % of revenue.

Joe gets the deal he wants. Posts about it here and the affiliate he got it from, and BAM. A new market price is set, that really cant be met by the affiliates without slashing thier profit margin to a point where its not even feasible to operate. The affiliate then has to ask for more money, to whiche the poker room has to say FU. End of rakeback.

The above may seem far fetched to many, but its really not. I get requests from players that make no sense, INCLUDING asking for %'s that the affiliates dont even get themselves.

Now, you can argue about what the point of this forum is all you want and whether it serves a purpose etc. But complaining about %'s being discussed is futile, as it REALLY is in the players interest that it remain a private matter.

rwesty · #3 10-03-2005, 11:37 PM

The only real secret is the highest percentage that is possible. The reason it's a secret is probably because it is continuously changing and will continue to change. My problem with how rakeback is currently done is that it forces you to go through large affiliate to get the best deal. There's no reason that a high volume player shouldn't be able to deal directly with a site to get the same deal as large affiliates. For players like this the affiliates are not doing any service to the site, because they will be playing at that site regardless.

rt1 · #4 10-03-2005, 11:35 PM

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Obviously affiliateEV is making way more cash than they deserve. Basically all affiliates are making more than they deserve. Eventually more information will be known, but until then all of the affiliates will work hard to keep the secrets to themselves and attempt to make the most money that they can. I have a feeling there will be some drastic changes in how rakeback is handled in the future. There's too much money being made too easily with too many secrets.

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[censored] - he knows too much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

come on dude, we setup this forum to help 2+2ers with affiliate / rakeback related questions. Just because we arent saying how much % we get and all that doesnt mean we are a secret organization. although, i did hear inthacup has ties to the illuminati.

go into best buy and ask an employee how much he makes, ask how much he is going to get off commission, then ask a manger how much the store makes. after that, call sony and ask how much they make. keep going, dont stop until you know what everyones paycheck is... after all it is your right to know... isnt it?

WarBus · #5 10-03-2005, 11:45 PM

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Obviously affiliateEV is making way more cash than they deserve. Basically all affiliates are making more than they deserve. Eventually more information will be known, but until then all of the affiliates will work hard to keep the secrets to themselves and attempt to make the most money that they can. I have a feeling there will be some drastic changes in how rakeback is handled in the future. There's too much money being made too easily with too many secrets.

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Why don't affiliates deserve what they make? If it is so easy everyone would be doing it. They put in the time. Reinvest profits on advertising, staff, websites, and many other expenses.

Because a few were motivated and innovative in acquiring players, they get to reap the benefits of thier efforts. But so do we. Without them, most of us wouldn't make as much as we do.

Just because we all wish that we'd have done it too, doesn't mean they don't deserve the rewards.

WarBus

Adam22 · #6 10-03-2005, 11:58 PM

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BusterStacks · #7 10-03-2005, 10:36 PM

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I have the best combination of service, rewards, percentages, longevity, and professionalism on the web.

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Ah so it's ok for you to talk about and mention your site but not for anyone else? Any time you'd like the claim in quotes disproven, you let me know.

lorinda · #8 10-18-2005, 12:39 AM

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Ah so it's ok for you to talk about and mention your site but not for anyone else? Any time you'd like the claim in quotes disproven, you let me know.

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Morgan 1-0 Buster

Lori

#9 10-03-2005, 09:10 PM

This is a nice forum for people to learn what rakeback is, but what purpose can there be for those with rakeback already?
We can't find out if a better deal is available (higher percentages). So what's the point?

Anytime someone starts discussing the 'game' of rakeback (what sites will and won't do, etc) the mods cut in with "you don't understand", "can't talk about it", or "PM me".

What other information is there to share?

And why are affiliates the mods? Any conflict of interest there? Almost makes me nostalgic for RGP.

pokerstudAA · #10 10-18-2005, 11:40 AM

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And why are affiliates the mods? Any conflict of interest there?

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This is a big problem in this forum IMHO.

Hard to openly discuss anything when those MODS in control have personal and financial interests and do not let everything be openly discussed and contradictory posts often get deleted. Serious conflicts of interest all over this forum. Do the Mods pay advertising fees to 2+2? What about all the feee advertising / self promotion that is going on.