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#1
09-22-2005, 07:04 PM
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do you use poker tracker?
run a filter where you are just looking at hands where you were in the cutoff or button raised PF and then called the flop. are these hands losers for you? I dont think "calling down" is a problem for me becuase im a winner when showing down a high card so i must be calling down at a correct freqency BUT i think these auto calls on the flop, though they seem right, may be undeniable losers. maybe im misssing something hidden in the filter im using.
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#3
09-22-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: do you use poker tracker?
It doesn't matter if these hands are losers. The money you put in preflop is a sunk cost once the flop comes. Whenever this situation occurs you are definitely an underdog to lose the hand so you are going to lose part of your preflop investment in the long run. The REAL point is whether your flop call is +EV or not given the pot odds. I don't understand how you could misunderstand this after playing for so long.
If they are big enough losers that you likely made postflop mistakes, then you can be concerned.
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#4
09-22-2005, 07:45 PM
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Re: do you use poker tracker?
[ QUOTE ]
It doesn't matter if these hands are losers. The money you put in preflop is a sunk cost once the flop comes. Whenever this situation occurs you are definitely an underdog to lose the hand so you are going to lose part of your preflop investment in the long run. The REAL point is whether your flop call is +EV or not given the pot odds. I don't understand how you could misunderstand this after playing for so long. [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but if you're trying to say that Hero should expect to lose money after raising preflop, you are very wrong.
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#5
09-22-2005, 08:07 PM
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listen donny....
theres lots of stuff i dont understand, things ive just always done because i can see the person and know what hes up to cause hes been coming to the casino everyday for 5 years. on line is a new world for me and i need to figure some stuff out. anyway...i get it i just need to lose less in these situations than those where i raise pf and then fold the flop to make money with my peeling shenanigans.
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#6
09-22-2005, 07:42 PM
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Re: do you use poker tracker?
Running a filter involving hands where I raised preflop (whether first in or not) and either called or raised the flop, I am winning at a pretty solid clip. However, this is at lower limits (I lost the database from when I played medium stakes). Running the same filter, but now only including hands where I called the flop, I am losing just over 1 BB/100. But this is a very small sample size, as I rarely just call the flop after raising preflop.
I am a slight loser on blind steals where I called or raised the flop.
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