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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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[ QUOTE ] It lets villain play perfectly against us. He bets his better hands, and checks his worse ones. Maybe he'll check a 9 through. [/ QUOTE ] This is a huge point for me, and a concept I really try to consider on each and every applicable river. Adam, I think that any straight bets this river if checked to. [/ QUOTE ] So what? If we bet, he raises (or calls) with his better hands, and folds his worse ones? Whether or not the villain plays his hand 'perfectly' is not as big a deal as whether HERO plays his hand correctly in this situation. Adam |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
its ridiculous how long this thread. bet/fold is by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrr the superior line.
[censored] this noise about 2 pair folding. one pair is not even folding. this is what is known as a VALUE bet. its a VALUE bet bc you get gazillions of worse to call and no worse hands are gonna bet. heres a few hands that call k2, k3, k4, k5, k6, k7, k8, k10, kj, kq, q2, a3, q4, q5, q6, q7, q8, q10, qj, qq, j10, jj. wow, thats a lot of hands. its possible that all of the j and ten pairs call too. ppl are that bad. the games are that good. checkcalling sucks sweaty hair donkey balls and loses nearly one FULL BET. |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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So what? If we bet, he raises (or calls) with his better hands, and folds his worse ones? Whether or not the villain plays his hand 'perfectly' is not as big a deal as whether HERO plays his hand correctly in this situation. Adam [/ QUOTE ] I guess we just have to agree to disagree. IMHO, he doesn't fold many worse hands. Players don't fold a pair for 1 bet on the river, let alone 2 pair. Surf |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
good response and i see now why the thread has gone so far. you have fallen into a trap and are causing other to as well. here is your incorrect statement:
[ QUOTE ] Thus, the only benefit to betting this river is in hopes that a pair, or two pair, or smaller set will call. But, these holdings are far less likely than a straight or flush. [/ QUOTE ] primarily the last part is wrong. lets go throught the possible hands villain can have: 1st assume the board is 10 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]j [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]q [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]k [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] hands we beat that call: qj 6ways 10j 6ways q10 6ways q5 6ways j5 6ways 105 6ways tt 3ways 55 3wyas jj 3ways qq 3ways k5 3ways k10 3ways kj 3ways kq 3ways k2-8 28ways q2-8 42ways ok, im bored and dont feel like goin on, but thats 130 hands you beat that WILL call bc party players suck. |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
I bet fold.
If you believe in Clark, really really believe in Clark, than you will bet fold 1 pair, 2 pair, set, and straight hands. Check calling with sets or straights just means you lack faith. Krishan |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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and I do think Ax folds their straight here sometimes with no clubs. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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[ QUOTE ] and I do think Ax folds their straight here sometimes with no clubs. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. [/ QUOTE ] there is no freakin way an ace, 9, 2pair, set or pair of kings folds here. you people need to realize that in a headsup pot ppl call the riv with anything. |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
Non thinking players are bad, and bad players do bad things which is good for us. a fold is so double pluss good that it only has to happen 1/20 times when he has a better hand that it is better to bet, than to check call.
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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[ QUOTE ] Bet-fold. 2pair will call. A straight might not raise b/c of the clubs. Surf [/ QUOTE ] huh? Bet-fold cost 1 bet without seeing a showdown. check call will cost one bet while seeing a showdown plus give your opponent a chance to bet a worse hand [/ QUOTE ] yes, but a worse hand will often check behind too. |
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Re: KK on like worst river ever in the history of rivers
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huh? Bet-fold cost 1 bet without seeing a showdown. check call will cost one bet while seeing a showdown plus give your opponent a chance to bet a worse hand [/ QUOTE ] To people who are thinking like this, or just don't understand what's good about a bet/fold here, I would recommend reading/rereading either TOP's section on river play, King Yao's section on river play, or both. |
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