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21 | 38.18% |
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| CA-life (in the fast lane...the boring answer fwded by Don Henley) |
  
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17 | 30.91% |
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4 | 7.27% |
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09-16-2005, 03:14 PM
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I voted for betfold. Betcalling is insane. Checkcalling seems like it has no advantages over betfold at all. [/ QUOTE ] it allows you to save a bet and fold to a c'r w/o costing you a bet and a bet only earns you money from OOP guy since MP3s hand is virtually perfectly well defined. further, if MP3 bets a hand you beat you get an effective overcall from OOP guy Barron 
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09-16-2005, 05:12 PM
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i voted bet/fold, cause thats what id do... if it was a live 30, id prob check/fold, but on the net i cant see putting in zero bets on the end here. i cant see how check/calling can be a good play.
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09-16-2005, 07:13 PM
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[ QUOTE ] i cant see how check/calling can be a good play. [/ QUOTE ] MP won't bet AQ, AJ, Two pair, or 8T even 1 in 18 times? [/ QUOTE ]what? i didnt say check/fold... i said bet it! i dont think he raises these hands 1:18, no.
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09-16-2005, 08:09 PM
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i voted bet/fold, cause thats what id do... if it was a live 30, id prob check/fold, but on the net i cant see putting in zero bets on the end here. i cant see how check/calling can be a good play. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed. I seen no advantages of checkcalling in the hand, yet i was so so so sure i was beat i checked it without a plan, stupid of me. MP3 turned 59. other guy 97 and i miss out on $120 because of stupidity. Betcalling seems dumb too, i'm surprised at the poll results.
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09-16-2005, 09:01 PM
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Agreed. I seen no advantages of checkcalling in the hand, yet i was so so so sure i was beat i checked it without a plan, stupid of me. MP3 turned 59. other guy 97 and i miss out on $120 because of stupidity. Betcalling seems dumb too, i'm surprised at the poll results. [/ QUOTE ] So let me get this straight. Check-calling has no advantages. Betting is clearly correct, but calling a raise with top set against an unknown getting as much as 21:1 is dumb. Does that about sum up your position on this hand?
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#8
09-16-2005, 09:05 PM
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youre mocking him?
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09-17-2005, 03:10 AM
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youre mocking him? [/ QUOTE ] Can't get anything past you, can I? Yes, I'm mocking him. He's claimed that bet-calling is "dumb" and "insane" and that "check-call has absolutely no advantages over bet-fold". As usual with such statements, they are exaggerated to make the author feel more confident in his position. We have no player information on MP2. There is no way to know whether 21:1, closing the closing the action, is enough to call the river. I suggest that against an unknown it is. Either way, calling a raise is certainly reasonable. To descibe a call for 1 bet closing the action in a huge pot with top set as "dumb" or "insane" is, well, you get the picture. -Eric
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#10
09-16-2005, 07:33 PM
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Re: options
All signs suggest we were ahead on the turn. The BB probably had a made hand, so he's no concern. With no information given about MP2, I'm value betting my setting every time, although I will not be surprised to be raised.
If BB raises, it's an easy call. If it's raised back by MP2, I'm much less happy, but call because again I don't have the information necessary to make the fold. I think check-calling and bet-folding are all reasonable options though. I find it interesting that so many responses have claimed one or another option to be ridiculous. Good luck. Eric
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