TPTK facing a turn C/R?

[Hamlet]

I think I just call this one down. He's not all that aggressive (.75), and he's representing a big hand. He three-bet your UTG raise from the SB. If he's not getting out of line, I would expect a big pair or AK from him most of the time. I think his most likely hands are AK or AA after the turn check-raise. Call the turn, call the river. Bet if checked to.

If he was more aggressive I might find a three-bet, but I think you'd be spewing to do it given his numbers and the situation. Folding is out of the question. Call.

I agree that the .75 indicates that he's reasonably tame post-flop, but I think we're putting too much stock in AA, especially given that we have one of the remaining three Aces. AK is a chop, after all, so extra bets don't hurt there. He is indeed representing a big hand, but I don't expect to see Aces often enough to miss the value 3-bet. If villain caps, I've cost myself two big bets vs. calling down. That's a price I'm willing to pay.

[silkyslim]

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I agree that the .75 indicates that he's reasonably tame post-flop, but I think we're putting too much stock in AA, especially given that we have one of the remaining three Aces. AK is a chop, after all, so extra bets don't hurt there. He is indeed representing a big hand, but I don't expect to see Aces often enough to miss the value 3-bet. If villain caps, I've cost myself two big bets vs. calling down. That's a price I'm willing to pay.

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I dont like your analysis here. This isnt a case of him bluffing at the 2, so we have to put him on a reasonable 3-betting hand. I dont think he will do this with an underpair, so that leaves AA, AK, KK (not likely). Maybe his range is wider, maybe not. We arent ahead of any of that. Call down, if we are ahead we want him to keep bluffing, if we are behind we lose the least. Why are you willing to pay 2 extra bets? that is reckless advice. Also, I forgot that he called flop bet then c/r river, a play aimed to make extra big bets with a legitimate hand, more reason to not 3-bet.

Fair enough. I wasn't so much suggesting that he was bluffing with the two, I simply saw the two as such an unlikely holding that I didn't see why we should be timid on the turn. The reason to be timid would be the check-raise, our evaluation of which hinges on the central question: what do we put villain on? I see a reasonably high pocket pair or another high King as the only plausible holdings here; only two of those hands beat us, AA being unlikely and KK very unlikely. I just don't like to miss bets because I fear the absolute worst. I'm willing to spend the two extra bets because I think I have the best hand here (or I'm at least splitting) more often than not. Also, I disagree with you in that I don't think that he's bluffing: I think he's got a very good, but ultimately second-best hand. I agree with most of what you're saying, but I don't see the extra two bets here as "reckless", and certainly not "reckless advice". The OP asked for feedback, and that's mine. Anyone may do with it as they wish.

Having said all that, I'm clearly in the minority here (a minority of one, in fact), so I'll happily defer to the concensus judgement.

[Aces McGee]

Levarkin

What hands does a timid player 3bet preflop, bet-call this K32 flop, and then c/r the 2 turn with?

AA and KK are two that have been mentioned. AK is another. Anything else?

I think we all recognize that AA and KK are the only two hands that make sense that are ahead here, but the more important observation is that however unlikely they may be from a mathematical perspective, they are much more likely -- given the way the hand has been played so far -- than any hand the OP's TPTK beats.

-McGee

Agreed, and my apologies for being vague about "possibilites". Other hands that I thought to be consistent with villain's line that we beat would be TT-QQ, KQs (there are two diamonds on the turn), maybe KQo. I evaluated the likelihood of those hands, plus AK, to be greater than that of AA and KK. It seems that I evaluated incorrectly, and I'm perfectly happy to concede that, I was just trying to explain the rationale behind what I still don't think is an irrational analysis.

[paperboyNC]

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KQs (there are two diamonds on the turn)

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