Federal Response to Katrina FASTER than to Andrew, Hugo & Others

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This was declared Aug. 27th, so why the delay?

The Feds had an absoulte Duty to Act, Authorization to Act and Jurisdiction to Act

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 27, 2005

Statement on Federal Emergency Assistance for Louisiana
The President today declared an emergency exists in the State of Louisiana and ordered Federal aid to supplement state and local response efforts in the parishes located in the path of Hurricane Katrina beginning on August 26, 2005, and continuing.

The President's action authorizes the Department of Homeland Security, Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA), to coordinate all disaster relief efforts which have the purpose of alleviating the hardship and suffering caused by the emergency on the local population, and to provide appropriate assistance for required emergency measures, authorized under Title V of the Stafford Act, to save lives, protect property and public health and safety, or to lessen or avert the threat of a catastrophe in the parishes of Allen, Avoyelles, Beauregard, Bienville, Bossier, Caddo, Caldwell, Claiborne, Catahoula, Concordia, De Soto, East Baton Rouge, East Carroll, East Feliciana, Evangeline, Franklin, Grant, Jackson, LaSalle, Lincoln, Livingston, Madison, Morehouse, Natchitoches, Pointe Coupee, Ouachita, Rapides, Red River, Richland, Sabine, St. Helena, St. Landry, Tensas, Union, Vernon, Webster, West Carroll, West Feliciana, and Winn.

Specifically, FEMA is authorized to identify, mobilize, and provide at its discretion, equipment and resources necessary to alleviate the impacts of the emergency. Debris removal and emergency protective measures, including direct Federal assistance, will be provided at 75 percent Federal funding.

Representing FEMA, Michael D. Brown, Under Secretary for Emergency Preparedness and Response, Department of Homeland Security, named William Lokey as the Federal Coordinating Officer for Federal recovery operations in the affected area.

FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: FEMA (202) 646-4600.

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I’ll go slow and try to use small words so you can follow…..


Let’s start with your earlier post about the insurrection act – look at the bold (really black letters) for the part you missed/didn’t understand/ignored.

Quelling Civil Disturbances: The Insurrection Act (10 U.S.C. § 331 et seq.)

* State and local governments have primary responsibility for quelling rebellions (32 C.F.R. § 215.4(a).

That’s the mayor and the governor

* The President may use the military (including the Federalized National Guard) to quell (1) civil disturbances in a State (upon the Governor's request),

The governor that needed an additional 24 hours to make up her mind

(2) rebellions that make it difficult to enforce Federal law

see above

, or (3) any insurrection that impedes a State's ability to protect citizens' constitutional rights and that State is unable to unwilling to protect these rights.

Both the mayor and the govenor said “all is well!”

* Before committing U.S. troops, the President must issue a proclamation for rebellious citizens to disperse, cease, and desist.

And the local authorities can object, basically vetoing the proclamation

Now, on to some other issues:

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This was declared Aug. 27th, so why the delay?

The Feds had an absoulte Duty to Act, Authorization to Act and Jurisdiction to Act

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The State and city had a hurricane plan – they didn’t follow it.


Louisiana gets more Federal money for Army Corps of Engineers flood control projects than any other state, 1.5 billion dollars but most of it was diverted by state and local politicians to other pork projects instead of NO levies.
Other states and agency had been reviewing the plan since the 90’s and had questioned the workability of it. Shove em’ all in the Superdome was the best they could come up with in 10 years????

Now finally….

The thing you either don’t want to understand or can’t is that FEMA, The Red Cross, The National Guard, even the Police and Fire Departments are reactionary services. This is why they are called responders They are activated after something happens. It’s even in the NO emergency plan not the expect help from FEMA for 72 to 96 hours after (now try real hard here) the event has ended. In other words you don’t stock a bunch of relief supplies in the area where the disaster might destroy them. Ask any emergency worker Fire/Rescue/Medical. One of the first rules in emergency response is to not become a victim yourself.

In any case FEMA is primarily a financial assistance agency They aren’t the one passing out the water and blankets, they are the one who spends tax money to help disaster victims recover financially.

The local rescue personnel, the local and state agencies plus (when the governor calls them out) the national guard are the ones with the water, blankets, food etc.

Finally……..

The National Guard, The US military and FEMA were in Louisiana faster than any other major hurricane, with a greater volume of personnel and materials. In 5 Days- more than 400,000 people were rescued/relocated/evacuated; order has been restored; The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans; so far less than 700 people have been killed (who knows how many of those were killed by looters) out of a city population of 448,000.

So, they got there faster, with more support than any other time and yet you still piss and moan.

What the hell do you want?

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Your entire post has nothing to do with the authority of the President to send National Guard into the State without permission from the Governor.

You do mention The Insurrection Act again, which was not needed, as the President has other authorities granted to him to send National Guard in this type of situation.

And Again --- You dispute the LIE yourself.

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* Before committing U.S. troops, the President must issue a proclamation for rebellious citizens to disperse, cease, and desist.


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Daddy Bush did just that. He issued a proclamation over the Rodney King riots, and federalized the California National Guard four hours later, over the objections of local authorities, during the Rodney King riots.

So put your hands over your ears -- chant LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA-LA-LA-LA-LA -- and keep beliveing that the President can't federalize troops without permission for the State.

[slamdunkpro]

Cut to the chase

The National Guard, The US military and FEMA were in Louisiana faster than any other major hurricane, with a greater volume of personnel and materials. In 5 Days- more than 400,000 people were rescued/relocated/evacuated; order has been restored; The Army Corps of Engineers has all but repaired the breaches and begun pumping water out of New Orleans; so far less than 700 people have been killed (who knows how many of those were killed by looters) out of a city population of 448,000.

So, they got there faster, with more support than any other time and yet you still piss and moan.

What the hell do you want?

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What the hell do you want?

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He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably.

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What the hell do you want?

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He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably.

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Seems like Bush is blaming himself:

Bush: 'I take responsibility' for U.S. failures

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What the hell do you want?

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He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably.

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i cant believe that this is still the generic conservative response to criticism. yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for...buttt....the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time...and i mean besides our economy doing ridiculously well and an expansion in general social welfare, he sucks because he didnt cut our taxes and then start an open-ended, war on ideologies. what a miserable failure.

rj

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yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for

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You do realize that Clinton gave Halliburton a no-contract bid for work in the Serbian theater, right?

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What the hell do you want?

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He wants something to blame Bush for. You know, to try to hide the corruption and utter incompetence of the previous administration probably.

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i cant believe that this is still the generic conservative response to criticism. yes, the previous administration was sooooo corrupt that they didnt even give giant government contracts to companies the vice president used to work for...buttt....the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time...and i mean besides our economy doing ridiculously well and an expansion in general social welfare, he sucks because he didnt cut our taxes and then start an open-ended, war on ideologies. what a miserable failure.

rj

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What an ignorant response.

the *former* president got a blowjob, hence rendering him the most corrupt, incompetant president of all time

I could care less about that.

I am talking about the fact that he was told about Bin Laden being a threat, yet, when given the chance to apprehend him, he was too busy at a golf tournament. Then his administration blocked the transfer of information the Army had uncovered to the FBI about Mohammed Atta it seems. At the same time, he sold advanced technology (for missles no less) to the Chinese. He was basically bought and paid for by the Chinese, exactly how many campaign donation scandals were there involving Clinton and the Chinese?

While he was doing this, he was *lying* (read: committing perjury) before a Grand Jury. This coming from a lawyer, who apparently believed the President is above the law. Note, he did get DISBARED!

Clinton had almost NOTHING to do with the expansion of the economy. In fact, Clinton probably helped bring about the burst of the economic bubble (he wasn't the cause, it was doomed to fail the way people were throwing away money). His tax hikes and spending habits virtually assured an economic slowdown. Despite this (and in part due to REPUBLICANS balancing the budget) the economy grew.

I cannot fathom how you infer that Bush has declared war on ideologies while not seeing those Clinton crusaded for. For more war information please look at Kosovo, Somalia, Haiti, etc.

Now, check your facts son, Clinton gave many of the same contracts to Haliburton that Bush's administration did. Difference? Cheney didn't work for Haliburton when the contracts were awarded under Bush. Face it, Haliburton is the only company in the US that does what it does (which is a hell of a lot), there are not that many options to choose from. Funny how no one ever talks about all the government contracts Haliburton received under Clinton.

Furthermore, your assertion that Clinton expanded social welfare in this country is dead on. He sure did screw us up even more. All we need is the government doing everything for us. The racist party (Democrats) has convinced many black people that they cannot succeed without the help of government. What do you leftists think? Are blacks not smart enough, not talented enough, not motivated enough to succeed without your "help"? The Democratic party is the most racist political organization in the history of our country if only due to their hypocracy.

what a miserable failure.

Clinton sure was.

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You do mention The Insurrection Act again, which was not needed, as the President has other authorities granted to him to send National Guard in this type of situation.

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I don't believe you. Prove this is so, because everything I've read so far has indicated that the President has no such power in these circumstances.

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Daddy Bush did just that. He issued a proclamation over the Rodney King riots, and federalized the California National Guard four hours later, over the objections of local authorities, during the Rodney King riots.

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The mayor requested federal troops and the governor approved. They DID request this federalization, which btw occured after the CANG had more or less accomplished the task of restorign law and order. I'm not sure which "local authorities" that objected you're talking about.

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So put your hands over your ears -- chant LA-LA-LA-LA-LA I CAN'T HEAR YOU - LA-LA-LA-LA-LA -- and keep beliveing that the President can't federalize troops without permission for the State.

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YOU have done nothing to support your contention that the President has such a power except point to an example that doesn't even support your conclusion.