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I think you are right.
My thoughts at the time were that I definitely wanted to get to showdown, and I didn't want to pay 4 bets to do so. So I just called down. I think that's too weak, and that I really do need to raise this turn. |
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I think that's too weak, and that I really do need to raise this turn. [/ QUOTE ] |
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10/20 Live at Greektown Brand new game so no reads, the game seems tight-passive so far but it's only the second orbit so I really don't know yet. Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls. Flop: (6 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls. Turn: (4 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero... Easy raise, or just call down? If I should raise, what's my line if he 3-bets? [/ QUOTE ] If he is bluffin with a flush draw, you lose 1 bet if the river is a non-club. If he has two pair and you just call and another club comes on the river, you lose bets possibly. I tend to lose a lot of $$ with my sets when I'm beat. I raise the turn and if re-raised, ck/call the river if I don't build a boat against his flush. |
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I tend not to lose enough $$ with my sets when I'm beat. [/ QUOTE ] |
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[ QUOTE ] I tend not to lose enough $$ with my sets when I'm beat. [/ QUOTE ] What I was saying was my ballz aren't going to shrink in this situation. I'm going to raise that turn and call the reraise and call a river bet, even with a 4th club. People are not going to step on me in this situation and it's a good one for my opponent to make a move on. |
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Easy raise. If he 3-bets, you call and showdown. This sort of donk-bet is usually a bluff, as a lot of bad players rigidly check-raise their good hands and bet out with weak hands. Of course, if you fill up on the river you should cap it if given the opportunity.
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Without reading other replies:
My first thought was fold. Then I realized I totally miscounted outs vs. pot size. Not having any real reads, he has 10 outs, right (or am I off somehow?) He's getting 5 to 1 to call and only needs 3.6. Therefore, I'd say it's well worth the raise. EDIT: After reading everyone's replies, it looks like I actually came up with the right answer, however, was my reasoning correct? ...and math? |
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Wow, automatic raise here. Calling down would be absurdly weak tight.
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Wow, automatic raise here. Calling down would be absurdly weak tight. [/ QUOTE ] see above. |
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Raise.
Think about it this way: How often, if you are a relatively generic not that sophisticated live low/mid limit player are you donk-betting a perfect flush card on the flop in a heads-up pot? How often are you not betting/raising with a flush draw on the flop? This is not easy hand-reading, but I also don't think it's particularly tough hand reading. With flush draws in small and/or short-handed pots, most players at these levels will: 1. Get some money in on the flop in some fashion. 2. Try to get more money in when they hit, usually by check-raising the turn. A donk-bet on a flush card here is usually, in my experience, more likely to represent someone who is *afraid* of the flush card than one who is thrilled by it. A donk-bet here is more likely to come from someone afraid of the turn getting checked through because of the flush potential, rather than from someone who is afraid of missing a bet on the turn. In a heads-up pot, your opponent is expecting you to bet the good big card/big pair hand you are representing. Raising now is better than waiting to a later street because: 1. A fourth club may either kill you or kill your action on the river. 2. Someone who might be betting a draw (not the most often occurance, but happens) will pay now but not later. |
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