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2 hands from today.
Hand 1
Villian is 20/10 after just 25 hands. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter UTG ($89.10) UTG+1 ($84.10) UTG+2 ($93) Hero ($98.80) MP2 ($77) MP3 ($102.45) CO ($197.25) Button ($98.50) SB ($111.30) BB ($223.60) Preflop: Hero is MP1 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. UTG calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $3</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, UTG calls $2, Hero calls $2. Flop: ($10.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $8</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $16</font>, UTG folds, Hero calls $8. Turn: ($42.50) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero....? I would open the turn if it had ragged, but I figure that A might scare alot of his holdings. What's my move? Hand 2 Villian is 18/6 after just 35 hands. He seems a bit tricky though. We have some history. A couple of hands ago I raised in EP, flop ragged, I bet and he min.raised. I called his minraise and 2/3-potted a rag turn to which he folded. Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (9 handed) converter SB ($100.20) BB ($138.55) Hero ($118.65) UTG+1 ($23) MP1 ($81.70) MP2 ($172.85) MP3 ($95.85) CO ($173.20) Button ($22.70) Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50. <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $4</font>, UTG+1 calls $4, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls $4, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB calls $3. Flop: ($16.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $16</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP3 calls $16, BB folds. Turn: ($48.50) J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $23</font>, MP3 calls $23. River: ($94.50) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, MP3 calls $52.85 (All-In), Hero folds. Final Pot: $147.35 Please comment on all streets. Should I even bother betting the turn? |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
Hey Kongo,
First hand I would generally push flop after he minraises me. As played, I think you have to lead this turn for 30$ or so. Trying to checkraise here would be really bad in my opinion. Hand 2 seems fine. The turn puts you in a really tough spot, but I think you played it alright. On the river, assuming something like a black deuce fell, what was your plan? Check/call any amount? |
#3
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Re: 2 hands from today.
Hand #1 I probably repop him on the flop. With that minraise, you always have the possibility of a semi-bluff draw, or maybe he can't get away from an overpair. I'd rather get some more in there while I know I have the best of it. I don't think I would push there, but get him in half now, half on the turn?!?
As played, I think you have to lead the turn for full pot. Yeah, the Ace may scare him, but oh well. I still think it's possible he has AK/AQ of spades, so he would love the ace. Lead, take it down maybe, move on. Hand #2 - Others will have to help you, I would have played it real similarly. |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
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I don't think I would push there, but get him in half now, half on the turn?!? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure about this one. I think that reraising here with anything less than a push indicates more strength rather than less because it looks less like a semibluff and more like a set. IMHO, a push here actually has a better chance of getting called against a tight player. |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
Regarding the second hand, why does the J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] put him in a tough spot?
Also, wouldn't he want to definitely bet the turn pretty strong to shut out flush/straight draws? |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
Hey Riposte,
The J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] is actually a good card for him IMO. He's in a tough spot because it's a very coordinated board and he got smooth called. The opponent could be on a straight or flush draw, but he could also have two pair, a set, or a straight. [ QUOTE ] Also, wouldn't he want to definitely bet the turn pretty strong to shut out flush/straight draws? [/ QUOTE ] That's one possible way to play this, but OP doesn't know if he's ahead or behind here. If he bets big here, he's playing for his entire stack. I like a bet just big enough to give a draw improper odds, which is what Kongo opted to do. Alternatively, I might check the turn and see what he does... this isn't a flop to lose your stack over. Good post btw. |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
hand 1push flop
hand two wp fim |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
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[ QUOTE ] I don't think I would push there, but get him in half now, half on the turn?!? [/ QUOTE ] I'm not sure about this one. I think that reraising here with anything less than a push indicates more strength rather than less because it looks less like a semibluff and more like a set. IMHO, a push here actually has a better chance of getting called against a tight player. [/ QUOTE ] In my experience, players have a much harder time calling an all-in in this situation, than they would calling off say 2/3 of their stack. Although, upon reflection, it's probably best to just push given stack sizes. |
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Re: 2 hands from today.
Question: Why didn't you reraise strongly on the flop with that spade draw and your top set?
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Regarding hand 1 flop play. EDITED twice
3-betting (any amount I choose to 3-bet), will scream monster IMO. Of course, I would push a flopped OES flush draw but I don't expect him to know that, and I do expect him to fold to a push.
Sure, by just calling I risk destroying my action to an ugly turn card, but the kind of player who will call a flop push is also likely to pay off even if some draws hit the turn. Thoughts? EDIT: also, a problem with hand 2 is that alot of players (him maybe being one of those players) will push with any 2 on any river if I check to them. My thinking is that a decent opponent can vey easily outplay me when I am OOP on that board. EDIT 2: an alternative line I see for hand 2 is over betting the flop and don't invest anything more if there is a turn. |
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