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Fold?
I really, really, really wanted to play this hand. The whole table was >50% pre-flop except for MP1. He seemed to play solid. I believed his raise but not CO's 3 bet. When MP1 raised my plan was to see the flop for one raise and fold if not improved or if I saw another reason to stay in. CO made it more expensive that I wanted so I folded to MP1's cap.
Do you think I should have bailed on MP1's first raise? Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero folds, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (19.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (11.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. River: (15.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, UTG+1 folds. Final Pot: 17.75 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> MP1 has Jd Jc (one pair, jacks). CO has xh xh (an evil pair he did not pick up till the turn). Outcome: CO wins 17.75 BB. </font> |
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Re: Fold?
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I really, really, really wanted to play this hand. The whole table was >50% pre-flop except for MP1. He seemed to play solid. I believed his raise but not CO's 3 bet. When MP1 raised my plan was to see the flop for one raise and fold if not improved or if I saw another reason to stay in. CO made it more expensive that I wanted so I folded to MP1's cap. Do you think I should have bailed on MP1's first raise? Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is MP2 with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 raises</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 caps</font>, Hero folds, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (19.50 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. Turn: (11.75 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, UTG+1 calls. River: (15.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds, UTG+1 folds. Final Pot: 17.75 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> MP1 has Jd Jc (one pair, jacks). CO has xh xh (an evil pair he did not pick up till the turn). Outcome: CO wins 17.75 BB. </font> [/ QUOTE ] dude. that's really really really bad. 3-bet pf or fold it. i'd 3-bet unless i had a strong solid read MP only raised big pairs pf, and i never have that solid of a read. i can't think of any routine situations where you would cold call 2 bets preflop and then fold to a cap in a 5 way pot. if you "believed" MP1's raise, what does that mean? also, not getting married to TT is good, but don't fold to 2 bets pf in a huge multiway pot. edit: for spelling and to add reallys |
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Re: Fold?
Your fold is terrible and shows a misunderstanding of pocket pairs.
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Re: Fold?
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if you "believed" MP1's raise, what does that mean? [/ QUOTE ] I thought he had a PP that was better than mine. When he capped I was sure. [ QUOTE ] dude. that's really really really bad. 3-bet pf or fold it. i'd 3-bet unless i had a strong solid read MP only raised big pairs pf, and i never have that solid of a read. [/ QUOTE ] If you are saying that I lost my balls I think I must agree. |
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Re: Fold?
You should be 3-betting and calling a cap. I passionately hate both your flop decision.
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Your fold is terrible and shows a misunderstanding of pocket pairs. [/ QUOTE ] davelin, no need to sugar coat it! Seriously-your brutal honesty has motivated me to reread that section of the SSHE bible. |
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Re: Fold?
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[ QUOTE ] if you "believed" MP1's raise, what does that mean? [/ QUOTE ] I thought he had a PP that was better than mine. When he capped I was sure. [/ QUOTE ] This doesn't actually change the decision. With 5 people in the pot, you're easily getting odds to draw to a set. You're about 7.5:1 to flop a set and your draw will be something like 18:2 with great implied odds. You have the odds to call pf and fold the flop without a set if you want (and it is possible you're still beating AK if a low naked flop comes). Plus, I would 3-bet this myself, because it's a great hand and you can protect against overs. |
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Re: Fold?
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[ QUOTE ] Your fold is terrible and shows a misunderstanding of pocket pairs. [/ QUOTE ] davelin, no need to sugar coat it! Seriously-your brutal honesty has motivated me to reread that section of the SSHE bible. [/ QUOTE ] Just calculate what your pot odds were when you were faced with the call and what your odds are of improving to a set on the flop. |
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Re: Fold?
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[ QUOTE ] if you "believed" MP1's raise, what does that mean? [/ QUOTE ] I thought he had a PP that was better than mine. When he capped I was sure. [/ QUOTE ] so do people only raise preflop with JJ-AA? |
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Re: Fold?
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Quote: Quote: if you "believed" MP1's raise, what does that mean? I thought he had a PP that was better than mine. When he capped I was sure. so do people only raise preflop with JJ-AA? [/ QUOTE ] Of course not! SSHE, pg. 82, WWSD (What Would Sklansky Do) Against a Raise AND a reraise you play TT. I suck, but not as bad as last week. |
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