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Old 08-15-2005, 11:10 PM
wookie wookie is offline
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Default Re: $109s - JJ Hand

Hero raises to 300 on the flop to prevent seeing a turn with a diamond, or to induce a mistake from the villain.

But we got to the turn... only options I see are fold or push. Since we are at the start of the tournament, discretion says fold and live to fight another day. After all it's only a pair...

But, those probe bets smell funny to me. I might just push instead. You might even force him off of a weak flush.

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Old 08-15-2005, 11:31 PM
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Default Re: $109s - JJ Hand

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But we got to the turn... only options I see are fold or push. Since we are at the start of the tournament, discretion says fold and live to fight another day. After all it's only a pair...

But, those probe bets smell funny to me. I might just push instead. You might even force him off of a weak flush.

- w

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yes we all know how often people raise from EP with suited connectors, make a flush and then fold to a raise.
this is not in any way a push or fold situation. hero still have over 800 chips left when the action reaches him on the turn and theres only 400 in the pot.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:36 PM
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yes we all know how often people raise from EP with suited connectors, make a flush and then fold to a raise.
this is not in any way a push or fold situation. hero still have over 800 chips left when the action reaches him on the turn and theres only 400 in the pot.

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I'm pretty sure I can beat PF raiser. However, he folded on the flop so its not all that relevent.
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Old 08-15-2005, 11:51 PM
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Default Re: $109s - JJ Hand

my mistake, read your post quickly and assumed UTG+1 was the pfr. ugh, that makes the turn a lot trickier. really this all goes back to the fact that you should raise on the flop. as it is, you have no idea if he flopped a set, a flush draw, weakly played tens that 2 outed you on the turn, 98, or something else entirely. cant see much you're beating here, but it's hard to know since you didnt raise the flop. im repeating myself because every time i think about the hand that's what springs to mind.

against an unknown, i think you have to at least call on the turn here.(...and pray for a diamond river and a check.)
still dont hate the minraise, check behind, seems like your cheapest way of seeing a showdown. fold if reraised or if he calls and pushes the river.
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