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Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
I would have to say that pocket queens and jacks are the toughest hands for me out of position. I really did not like the way that I played this particular hand, though.
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls. River: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: 11.50 BB |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
Raise preflop
Bet the flop Don't fold the turn Call the river Honestly, you screwed this one up pretty bad. You really just need to raise preflop here, and that changes the whole hand. It might help if you try to explain to us what you were thinking during each action you took in this hand. Cause I'm a little confused why you played it the way you did. |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter
Preflop: Hero is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB completes, Hero checks. Flop: (5 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP3 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero folds, UTG+2 calls. River: (10.50 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> UTG+2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, UTG+2 folds. Final Pot: 11.50 BB um raise preflop, bet the flop .. go from there |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
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Raise preflop Bet the flop Don't fold the turn Call the river Honestly, you screwed this one up pretty bad. You really just need to raise preflop here, and that changes the whole hand. It might help if you try to explain to us what you were thinking during each action you took in this hand. Cause I'm a little confused why you played it the way you did. [/ QUOTE ] And use the converter, or at least don't post screen names. It's not that hard to type it out by hand. |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
I checked pre-flop because of all the callers (with likely overcards) and the fact that I was out of position. Usually this is a raise for me (and trust me, I am not a weak player), but I had just read something saying that with four or more callers, you could try just checking jacks from the BB due to the positional disadvantage.
From there, I wanted to get in a check-raise on the flop, not bet it out due to the fact that I could just be building a pot for flush and/or straight draws. However, mwbeirne's raise on the flop made me suspicious that he might already have the nut straight (or at the very least, a very strong hand, two pair or trips, possibly). I don't think the rest of the hand was worth going into calldown mode, especially with the jack high flush draw (against a likely made hand). |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
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I checked pre-flop because of all the callers (with likely overcards) and the fact that I was out of position. Usually this is a raise for me (and trust me, I am not a weak player), but I had just read something saying that with four or more callers, you could try just checking jacks from the BB due to the positional disadvantage. From there, I wanted to get in a check-raise on the flop, not bet it out due to the fact that I could just be building a pot for flush and/or straight draws. However, mwbeirne's raise on the flop made me suspicious that he might already have the nut straight (or at the very least, a very strong hand, two pair or trips, possibly). I don't think the rest of the hand was worth going into calldown mode, especially with the jack high flush draw (against a likely made hand). [/ QUOTE ] against good postflop players at higher limits checking JJ can be a good play in the blinds .. at .5/1 its an super easy value raise and yes you are weak, and suffer from MUBS tell me who you were planning on Check/raising on this flop?? just to give you an idea of JJ strength if its 3handed and all3overcards are out, and 2flusdraws, you still hold your own, if they have shared overcards(both have an A) you have a solid edge JJ is the 4th/5th best HE hand period |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
Raise PF.
I'd bet on the flop, but I'm OK with a CR. If it comes back raised, all right, 3-bet. I'm not afraid of the flush draw much, since a have J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] in my hand. A soooted K or A probably would have raised PF, I'm a-guessin'. So if the turn comes up [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], I've got a redraw. If someone flopped a straight, que sera. Turn: I'm not folding to that raise, sorry. I've got an over pair and a flush redraw. Any reads on the button would help though. |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
Well, this is the last time I try something new. The fact that I didn't raise PF scared me the rest of the hand (as I knew that most of the players wouldn't be aware enough to put me on overcards once the flop hit).
And bottomset, I'm sorry, but my PokerTracker stats don't really tell me that I'm a weak player. I just played it differently than normal and got myself in a bad spot. |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
J hi flush leaves 3 cards that beat you - odds (i think) are 3/46 * 4 or about 25% that one of the 4 cards they hold beat your flush draw.
you win the flush at > 50% of the time (If I have the math right >70%). There are two other players so you only need to win 33%. Oh - once the river comes there are only 2 cards that beat you. Its worth a call (if not a raise). If I have this completely wrong please let me know. |
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Re: Jacks Played Poorly--Any Help?
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but my PokerTracker stats don't really tell me that I'm a weak player. [/ QUOTE ] care to post them you have weaktight written all over you, don't worry a lot of us start off that way, I used to be that way a while back at 1/2 full, 17/9/2.8 but I played very weak postflop [ QUOTE ] I wanted to get in a check-raise on the flop, not bet it out due to the fact that I could just be building a pot for flush and/or straight draws [/ QUOTE ] um yeah this is bad reasoning, and who are you check-raising, don't just say 1 of them .. who specifically and why do you think he will bet the flop [ QUOTE ] However, mwbeirne's raise on the flop made me suspicious that he might already have the nut straight (or at the very least, a very strong hand, two pair or trips, possibly). [/ QUOTE ] um he could be raising plenty more than just the nut straight, twopair and trips .. |
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