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I Can\'t Help Myself...
When taking bad odds drawing to good hands. If you tell me that this is just bad, I won't do it again. Early in a stars $11:
*********** # 1 ************** PokerStars Game #2195932270: Tournament #10551399, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/07/26 - 22:40:04 (ET) Table '10551399 1' Seat #8 is the button Seat 1: Rickmeister (1380 in chips) Seat 2: boynee4 (3680 in chips) Seat 3: mike 4352 (800 in chips) Seat 4: bluewilde (1450 in chips) Seat 5: Chipmunk LD (1280 in chips) Seat 6: Kathraina (640 in chips) Seat 7: tsuiuc (1410 in chips) Seat 8: rolenfan (1420 in chips) Seat 9: MKrahl69 (1440 in chips) MKrahl69: posts small blind 10 Rickmeister: posts big blind 20 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bluewilde [As Qd] boynee4: folds mike 4352: calls 20 bluewilde: calls 20 Chipmunk LD: calls 20 Kathraina: folds tsuiuc: folds rolenfan: calls 20 MKrahl69: calls 10 Rickmeister: checks *** FLOP *** [Js 9s 3s] MKrahl69: checks Rickmeister: checks mike 4352: checks bluewilde: checks Chipmunk LD: bets 80 rolenfan: folds MKrahl69: folds Rickmeister: folds mike 4352: folds bluewilde: calls 80 *** TURN *** [Js 9s 3s] [8d] bluewilde: checks Chipmunk LD: bets 100 bluewilde: calls 100 *** RIVER *** [Js 9s 3s 8d] [Ah] bluewilde: checks Chipmunk LD: bets 100 bluewilde: calls 100 |
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
so you called 13% of your stack off to possibily hit the jack high 4 flush falling back on ace high until the miracle at the river??
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
What do you do if he bets 500 on the river? If your not going to make a big mistake when you hit an ace or queen, I think your play is not unreasonable. Often enough you'll hit a spade and double up versus a lower flush.
In this particular hand, I think the flop call is the only close call. On the turn and river the pot odds are too good to fold. Paul |
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
Precisely. That the above is wrong, I get [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. I'm just not sure what kind of flush draws are playable, if any. Do you have to already have TPTK, and there not be three of a suit on the board, do you have to have open-ended straight possibilities, etc. What sized bets can I call as thes criteria vary?
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
Mix it up. Draws are meant to be raised, not chased. If you check the flop, which might be right, I really like calling flop and firing the turn to try to grab the river with FE.
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
Whaaa? This is very interesting. You're saying play to win the hand, whereas I just try to pick up winning cards cheaply and bail if I miss or it becomes too expensive.
Is it generally good to be aggressive with these draws, or only in special cases? It seems like I could bust out of a lot of SNGs early betting on draws, so can you give me an idea of what situations I'm looking for? |
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
right, you lose and are out is one scenario
they fold and you take down a pot is another you hit, and they lose all their chips and you are in great position to win the whole thing is the last... |
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
I checkraise this flop a very high percentage of the time.
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
I have been playing like you. Just trying to check/call to keep my hand alive cheaply. But that is a great point. If you call you can only win one way - best hand. If you raise you can win two ways - best hand or villian folds.
Now I/you/we need to be careful and only do this with the proper odds, but it does seem to have some good possibilities. It's something I'm going to start playing with. --------------Jeff |
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Re: I Can\'t Help Myself...
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I checkraise this flop a very high percentage of the time. [/ QUOTE ] i like this line - it gives you the best chance of taking down the pot immediately or walking away from it quickly. i only pull it when i feel like i have some balls and my opponent is weak tho. |
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