NLTHE with the jokers

[imported_metrognome7]

A friend of mine recently suggested we try playing one session of our weekly home game with the jokers in, just for kicks. I think it'd at least be interesting, but I can't quite get my head around the full scope of strategic and probability changes it would entail.

If you were in this game, how would you adjust your play?

[theben]

wait for a joker

Just thinking out loud here...

-You'd always have top pair
-any hole hand of XJoker would be suited
-any hole hand of XJoker would be connectors
-any hole hand of XJoker would be a PP
-any hole hand of XJoker would be 1/2/3/4 gappers
-any hole hand of JokerJoker would always win or split
(any math guys wanna try the percentages or win/split for JokerJoker?)

...well I'd start praying for Jokers instead of Aces for one.

[creedofhubris]

You should fold any hand preflop that's not a pocket pair or Joker/x. My guess is that sets are still going to be pretty tough to beat, but any other hand is in terrible shape vs Joker/x. Any joker is a reraising hand preflop.

Similarly, you should put in pretty much infinite raises on any flop with a joker (since you have ridiculous odds to improve even if you're behind), and should proceed to call to the river with joker/x if you're playing limit, no matter what the board is.

Let's not even talk about a joker on the board. Full house or better to bet the river.

For a small stakes limit game, it might be interesting. For NL, this would be insane.

What does a joker-high flush count as?

[imported_metrognome7]

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For a small stakes limit game, it might be interesting. For NL, this would be insane.

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I think the idea was to play No Limit, but the more I think about it and the more you all theorize, the more I agree: that'd be f*ckin' madness.

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What does a joker-high flush count as?

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I don't know... would a joker-high flush split with the natural A-high nuts?

Well, you just have to find out really quickly in a hand if there are jokers involved and who has them.

Then take a good look and see how many cards a player needs to make a good hand with a certain community. If it's only one and you think your friend has a joker, it's folding time.

Me and my friends played like this before, dealer's choice wild cards. Sometimes deuces, sometimes black maria and the suicide king (my pick) and sometimes the one eyed jacks.

[Drunken Monkey]

If you need to go all-in at any point I would only do it with at least one joker. I remember my friend once suggested it after my tight image had them joking that I only play aces or better.

I remeber dealing through a lot of boards with different hands verses a joker-rag hand and the joker kicked all hands like no other.

I mean any time the board pairs, four flush, baby straight, ect. There are some exceptions but the joker has mighty power.

[Tilt]

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Just thinking out loud here...

-You'd always have top pair
-any hole hand of XJoker would be suited
-any hole hand of XJoker would be connectors
-any hole hand of XJoker would be a PP
-any hole hand of XJoker would be 1/2/3/4 gappers
-any hole hand of JokerJoker would always win or split
(any math guys wanna try the percentages or win/split for JokerJoker?)

...well I'd start praying for Jokers instead of Aces for one.

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Man, can you imagine the power of pocket jokers?

[Vex]

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A friend of mine recently suggested we try playing one session of our weekly home game with the jokers in, just for kicks. I think it'd at least be interesting, but I can't quite get my head around the full scope of strategic and probability changes it would entail.

If you were in this game, how would you adjust your play?

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As others on this thread have said, Holdem with wild cards would just be nutzola.

How 'bout trying this on for size. It's a game I just made up right now, on the spot. I call it Texas Roll 'Em.

Start the hand just like Holdem and play through the first betting round, to right before the flop. Then, starting with the last aggressor (or the BB in an unraised pot), each player still in the pot rolls over one of his hole cards in turn. Each player receives a new down card, then the flop is dealt. Betting proceeds from the left of the button as usual. After the flop action is complete, everyone rolls again (starting to the left of the button if no action) and is dealt a new down card. At this point, everyone still in the game has four cards, two of them face-up. The turn and river are played out per Holdem, with no more card rolling. Hand building follows Omaha rules -- you have to use two of your own cards and three of the board cards. You can use any two of your four cards -- both down cards, both up cards, or one of each. The game can be played high only, or high-low split.

So, what does this game give you?

1> Rolling cards up, in turn, gives you iteresting ways to strategize.

a> Bluffing takes on an interesting twist -- what happens if someone rolls over a card you are representing having?

b> You can play deceptivively by choosing which cards to roll

2> You see more cards, and see part of your opponents' hands like in Stud.

3> It's very much a fun-time drawing game, because of the extra two cards.


I would think this game actually would give a nice extra edge to someone knowledgeable, it would have a lot of appeal for gamblers, and the extra rules wouldn't be too hard for someone a little bit tipsy to follow. (I can say this because some of my family home games attained levels of convoluted insanity that makes this pale by comparison; I'm sure many of us can relate.)

[RRRRICK]

Would it be feasible to laydown AA preflop to a raise and a reraise at fear of AceJoker or JokerJoker.

What if both Jokers hit the board?

This game would could only be played in an asylum