Tonight WSOP Circuit tourney? Did everybody read caro's boof of tells?

[tipperdog]

I'm surprised that no one has commented on the most obvious tell of the evening. Holding the 2nd nut straight when a blank hits the river, Lee shakes his hand, groans, and checks discouragedly, hoping to induce a bluff from Gabe Thaler. Seeing the classic "weak when strong" tell, Thaler checks behind.

Even I would have picked up on that tell, and I suck.

[Smoothcall]

And he also had a tell that lee was weak on the turn. He said i knew you had nothing. Granted sometimes guys just say this. But he did call the turn with nothing.

[Iconoclastic]

That was a terrible play by Doug, tellbox or not. The only way Thaler would bet is if he had absolutely nothing and needed to steal the pot or if he had a good hand and value bet the River. But Gabe showed no real strength on previous streets so what were the chances the River helped him or he had a made monster? And what were the chances Gabe had nothing if he called (was it the Flop or the Turn?). He should have value bet the River there.

[Army Eye]

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That was a terrible play by Doug, tellbox or not. The only way Thaler would bet is if he had absolutely nothing and needed to steal the pot or if he had a good hand and value bet the River. But Gabe showed no real strength on previous streets so what were the chances the River helped him or he had a made monster? And what were the chances Gabe had nothing if he called (was it the Flop or the Turn?). He should have value bet the River there.

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Turned out to be a correct check on the river because Gabe DID have nothing. There was probably no way to squeeze any more chips out of Gabe on that hand but checking and not giving an obvious tell was the best chance of doing so.

[Iconoclastic]

Your analysis is limited by results-oriented thinking.

Besides, Thaler had Ace high. That's the type of hand that will call a bluff.

[freekobe]

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That was a terrible play by Doug, tellbox or not. The only way Thaler would bet is if he had absolutely nothing and needed to steal the pot or if he had a good hand and value bet the River. But Gabe showed no real strength on previous streets so what were the chances the River helped him or he had a made monster? And what were the chances Gabe had nothing if he called (was it the Flop or the Turn?). He should have value bet the River there.

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This is wrong. First of all, to correct a previous poster, I'm 99% sure Lee had the nut straight (8-Q). Second, with such a scary board (I believe it was 6 8 9 10 x), there is no way Thaler calls any meaningful bet without having a straight himself. The only way for Lee to win something on the river there is to induce a bluff. He tried and it didn't work out.

I do agree that the shaking of the head was awful.

[TheMainEvent]

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The only way for Lee to win something on the river there is to induce a bluff.

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Can you think of any hands that call the turn and bet the river when checked to, but don't call a river bet? I don't think there are very many.

[Smoothcall]

He checked the river hoping to induce a bluff. Hoping with the 4 straight out there that gabe would say he can't call unless he has a straight or big hand. But he hlooywooded way to much and gabe wasn't biting.