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Old 07-20-2005, 08:47 AM
djk123 djk123 is offline
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Default Re: Tonight WSOP Circuit tourney? Did everybody read caro\'s boof of tells?

not sure if this was heads up or 3 ppl left. but Lee hit top set of jacks on the flop. jen checks he checks. the turn is an ace and harman bets out something like 100,000. lee checkraises, how much im not quite sure. harman folds and says almost immediately "trip jacks"
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Old 07-20-2005, 08:48 AM
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No.. Lee turned his cards over and showed her, then she said Trip Jacks.
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Old 07-20-2005, 08:51 AM
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wow, oops. was playing poker while i was watching so i must've missed him turning over the cards.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:45 AM
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No.. Lee turned his cards over and showed her, then she said Trip Jacks.

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Anyone else remember it this way? I got the impression it was her read as well, especially given the sheepish look on his face when she said it.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:52 AM
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No.. Lee turned his cards over and showed her, then she said Trip Jacks.

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Anyone else remember it this way? I got the impression it was her read as well, especially given the sheepish look on his face when she said it.

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If she thought he had 3 jacks, then the 100K turn bet was pretty foolish...
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:00 PM
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No.. Lee turned his cards over and showed her, then she said Trip Jacks.

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Anyone else remember it this way? I got the impression it was her read as well, especially given the sheepish look on his face when she said it.

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If she thought he had 3 jacks, then the 100K turn bet was pretty foolish...

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Lee's mini-turn raise (after her bet) was a big piece of the puzzle, and she immediately mucked.

On another note I thought Lee played well on the hand he busted Bellande on. The other players were reading his slowplays easily like the KK hand and the large bet on the turned wheel really threw off Bellande I think.
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Old 07-20-2005, 12:09 PM
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No.. Lee turned his cards over and showed her, then she said Trip Jacks.

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Anyone else remember it this way? I got the impression it was her read as well, especially given the sheepish look on his face when she said it.

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If she thought he had 3 jacks, then the 100K turn bet was pretty foolish...

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Lee's mini-turn raise (after her bet) was a big piece of the puzzle, and she immediately mucked.

On another note I thought Lee played well on the hand he busted Bellande on. The other players were reading his slowplays easily like the KK hand and the large bet on the turned wheel really threw off Bellande I think.

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She only started out the hand with about 400K, so his 200,000 bet indicated that she would be all-in at some point in the hand. He should have just gone all-in, but I think that he was trying to "show weakness".

She just made a stab at the pot on the turn with nothing, I'm sure intending to give up if called or raised. Her actions are perfectly understandable without taking reads into account. If she'd actually had a good read on him that hand, then she wouldn't have made the bet.
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Old 07-20-2005, 11:55 AM
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Definently positive that Lee flipped over his cards.. I remember him doing it, and Harman wasn't even paying attention for a bit (she was playing with her chips or something), and then she finally looked up and saw it and said, "Trip Jacks" and nodded her head in a matter of fact manner.
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Old 07-20-2005, 03:11 PM
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Definently positive that Lee flipped over his cards.. I remember him doing it, and Harman wasn't even paying attention for a bit (she was playing with her chips or something), and then she finally looked up and saw it and said, "Trip Jacks" and nodded her head in a matter of fact manner.

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You are definitely wrong. I have it taped on DVR and just went back to double-check. First, Lee never actually flips his cards and in any case, Jen calls "trip jacks" long before he would have even had a chance to flip his cards. Moot point though, as other people have mentioned, if she actually HAD a good read she wouldn't have bet 100k on the turn, just like she would have pushed in (or at least raised) with AK on the previous hand when she "claimed" Lee and Thaler were weak. People talk all the time at tables and if you guess enough, you will eventually be right some of the time. Again, she's a good enough player that she would GO with her read if she actually had a good one.

Oh and i noticed people conveniently forget that Jen was all-in against Lee with Q7 vs Q9 on the hand right before the QQ vs 910 and sucked out on him.
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Old 07-20-2005, 04:01 PM
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Definently positive that Lee flipped over his cards.. I remember him doing it, and Harman wasn't even paying attention for a bit (she was playing with her chips or something), and then she finally looked up and saw it and said, "Trip Jacks" and nodded her head in a matter of fact manner.

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You are definitely wrong. I have it taped on DVR and just went back to double-check. First, Lee never actually flips his cards and in any case, Jen calls "trip jacks" long before he would have even had a chance to flip his cards. Moot point though, as other people have mentioned, if she actually HAD a good read she wouldn't have bet 100k on the turn, just like she would have pushed in (or at least raised) with AK on the previous hand when she "claimed" Lee and Thaler were weak. People talk all the time at tables and if you guess enough, you will eventually be right some of the time. Again, she's a good enough player that she would GO with her read if she actually had a good one.

Oh and i noticed people conveniently forget that Jen was all-in against Lee with Q7 vs Q9 on the hand right before the QQ vs 910 and sucked out on him.

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Might want to double-check that Tivo, skipper. I believe from the camera-angle at the time she insta-folds when Lee merely says raise, you see him flip over his jacks towards the dealer but she's not looking in that direction. When they switch to a close-up of her face, she then looks over, sort of nods and says trip jacks.
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