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07-12-2005, 03:29 AM
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Re: Abortion laws, is there a real argument?
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There is no baby. There is an embryo, and then a fetus. [/ QUOTE ] Your use of the words embryo and fetus are an attempt to divorce people from the realization that these are just different stages of human development. At the moment of conception, a genetically complete human being is formed and will from that point on continue to develop along the normal continuum of life. Once you acknowledge this scientific fact, it becomes clear that this is no different than killing of a human being at some other point in their development. If you think this is just some conservative or religious propaganda, read some of Peter Singer's work, who fully acknowledges the fact that if you allow abortion, then infanticide becomes viable as well and so forth. I find it amusing that people here (and this isnt directed at niss, just happened to be responding his post) who pride themselves on their clear and logical, scientific thinking immediately try to bring up fuzzy questions about the nature of life and when it all actually begins. It begins at conception. Any other line is an arbitrary one that we draw and say "ending a human life is ok before this point". 
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07-11-2005, 03:49 PM
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Re: Abortion laws, is there a real argument?
here's the thing...
I'm actually pro-life - but that extends across the board - that means I don't want the death penalty - which many prolifers have no problem with...LOL - funny how that works. But I don't believe that life is before conception- (when the DNA decides all the important [censored]) - so I believe in birth control and sex education, which many pro-lifers, by virtue of their religion, don't believe in ... so they bitch about how people are aborting babies while doing nothing to prevent the number that are being created and ergo aborted... If you truly want to get into a discussion, it'd be way deeper then a discussion board, but let's start with this - a fetus is a human being - it's not a part of the mother, cause it has it's own DNA, internal organs, and structure - the only thing they share is their intake of air/food/water - so why does it deserve to die? RB
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07-11-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: Abortion laws, is there a real argument?
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here's the thing... I'm actually pro-life - but that extends across the board - that means I don't want the death penalty - which many prolifers have no problem with...LOL - funny how that works. But I don't believe that life is before conception- (when the DNA decides all the important [censored]) - so I believe in birth control and sex education, which many pro-lifers, by virtue of their religion, don't believe in ... so they bitch about how people are aborting babies while doing nothing to prevent the number that are being created and ergo aborted... If you truly want to get into a discussion, it'd be way deeper then a discussion board, but let's start with this - a fetus is a human being - it's not a part of the mother, cause it has it's own DNA, internal organs, and structure - the only thing they share is their intake of air/food/water - so why does it deserve to die? RB [/ QUOTE ] good post.
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07-11-2005, 04:15 PM
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Re: Abortion laws, is there a real argument?
you want a good argument....
read "The Unaborted Socrates" - by Peter Kreeft - very, very good. - My Senior College Project was trying to do a radio adaption of it - failed the task miserably, but got a B for effort and graduated - RB
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07-12-2005, 04:41 AM
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Re: Abortion laws, is there a real argument?
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The way I see it, the wealthier elements of society will be able to travel overseas to get it done, and the less well off will go to backstreet chop shops. I really can't see an argument in favour of these laws, other than a desire to impose your values on others by legislation. Opinions pro and against appreciated. Mack [/ QUOTE ] your exact same case can be made WRT "for hire" hitmen. fim
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