KK facing check-re-raise - Page 2

FreakDaddy · #11 07-05-2005, 05:07 PM

Raise more pre-flop. Your raising $5 into a pot of $9 that the initial limpers need $4 to call. Almost any two cards are playable at this point and most players will call. A better bet is raising to about $8.

Raise more on the flop, to about pot size. The pot is a good size and you have a huge field, I think it's better to define your hand rather than try and make any deceptive moves here. This pot could get ugly quick and you could be against any range of hands, from sets to lots of draws.

You can't push the turn as your going to give UTG proper odds to call your push even if he's on a draw, so I would elect to call, and see how the turn develops.

FreakDaddy · #12 07-05-2005, 05:09 PM

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Raise to $8-10 preflop and it's a lot easier to play.

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Agreed... that's what I said as well. I don't think a lot of people here realize why it's so important to do this with limpers in front. If you're not going to raise and give most hands improper odds, then your almost better off just calling and looking at a flop. ALMOST [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

FreakDaddy · #13 07-05-2005, 05:11 PM

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Standard raise my ass. You raise what will get called by 1 or 2 people. 6-8 is plenty. 10BB is overkill. Aces, anyone?

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you don't want this to be a multiway pot that will be huge on the flop with 4 or 5 people in and you are left holding just one pair.

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Obviously. You also don't want to take it down pf with a monster hand.

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Anything less than $8 is incorrect in this situation BZ. Read my post.

cfb1739 · #14 07-05-2005, 05:15 PM

5 players saw the flop.....you're most likely beat. Fold and find a better spot. I know it sucks, but here you have to dump KK.

BZ_Zorro · #15 07-05-2005, 05:15 PM

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Anything less than $8 is incorrect in this situation BZ. Read my post.

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Depends on the table and the situation. Most of the time even $5 would get rid of a couple of limpers. I think you're being results oriented. If OP had raised to 5 and everyone had folded(which does happen), what advice would you give? Raise 8-10 instead?

Anyway I won't hijack OP's post any further.

Izenra · #16 07-05-2005, 06:49 PM

Thanks for your advice. Here is the whole hand.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $1 BB (9 handed) converter

MP2 ($108.4)
MP3 ($187.27)
CO ($69.1)
Hero ($105.2)
SB ($128.35)
BB ($221.45)
UTG ($108.73)
UTG+1 ($101.5)
MP1 ($43.35)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls $1, UTG+1 calls $1, 2 folds, MP3 calls $1, CO calls $1, Hero raises to $5, SB calls $4.50, 1 fold, UTG calls $4, UTG+1 calls $4, MP3 calls $4, CO calls $4.

Flop: ($31) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (6 players)
SB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets $5, MP3 folds, CO folds, Hero raises to $20, SB folds, UTG raises to $45, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $25.

Turn: ($126) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
UTG bets $58.73 (All-In), Hero calls $55.20 (All-In).

River: ($239.93) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $239.93

Results in white below: 
UTG has 9s 4s (one pair, nines).
Hero has Kh Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: Hero wins $236.40. UTG wins $3.53. 

I was tilting from preceding hand. My initial thought was a set.

After the hand, UTG+1 told me he would have made his straight on the turn( 75s, he made the 5 $ blocking bet). One of the other caller had JJ.

I could not have played this hand worst and I got paid off. I love poker [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] . Turn out UTG was a LAG.

Spladle Master · #17 07-05-2005, 07:25 PM

That is awesome.

soah · #18 07-05-2005, 07:32 PM

Your money isn't going to last long if your gameplan is to juice the pot up preflop and then try to make one pair hold up against five opponents.

BZ_Zorro · #19 07-06-2005, 12:11 AM

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Standard raise my ass. You raise what will get called by 1 or 2 people. 6-8 is plenty. 10BB is overkill. Aces, anyone?

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you don't want this to be a multiway pot that will be huge on the flop with 4 or 5 people in and you are left holding just one pair.

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Obviously. You also don't want to take it down pf with a monster hand.

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FreakDaddy · #20 07-06-2005, 12:43 AM

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Anything less than $8 is incorrect in this situation BZ. Read my post.

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Depends on the table and the situation. Most of the time even $5 would get rid of a couple of limpers. I think you're being results oriented. If OP had raised to 5 and everyone had folded(which does happen), what advice would you give? Raise 8-10 instead?

Anyway I won't hijack OP's post any further.

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While I do agree with you that every table requires it's own line and style of play, given the fact that we have none of that info (and it's hard to know unless you're at that table), we can only advise hero based on what is the most acceptable and best play given 'standard' table conditions. The best play is to give limpers improper odds to call a raise, rather then jack up a pot with one pair in a big field. This is fundamentally unsound poker.

I don't think we're hijacking this thread. We're discussing the hand and hopefully all learning from the discussion.