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Was I outplayed here?
Just started playing $100NL at Party ... and this guy pulls this stunt with ... well, see if you can guess.
My question really is: should I have raised from the SB in the first place? And how did I play it from then on? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, NL$100 (9 handed) converter BB ($88.8) UTG ($64) UTG+1 ($61.7) MP1 ($100) MP2 ($272.6) MP3 ($97) CO ($73.2) Button ($97.35) Hero ($97) Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5. <font color="#666666">7 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $3</font>, BB calls $2.5. Flop: ($6) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $3</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9</font>, Hero calls $6. Turn: ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $20</font>, Hero folds. Final Pot: $44 |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
bet more on the flop,
once he raises, I go all in. |
#3
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
72o?
pot the flop, he'll be less likely to bluff raise you if you make a full pot bet. if you had potted it, and he had made a good raise, then a 3-bet all-in would have been the play to make. you'd have 3 A outs, 3 T outs, 9 club outs, and good fold equity against anything but a set. |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
You definitely can't go all-in for such an overbet on the flop, but I would re-raise to $30.
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
if you were both deeper,
just calling the flop raise is ok, but at buy in level stacks, I like a strong flop bet followed by a push if raised. |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
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if you were both deeper, just calling the flop raise is ok, but at buy in level stacks, I like a strong flop bet followed by a push if raised. [/ QUOTE ] quoted for truth. |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
I agree that once hero underbet flop, pushing such an overbet is weird but I think if hero bet more preflop say 4xbb or 5xbb,
bet near pot on flop, got raised, then he could push as the pot size would be exponentially bigger. |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
He had 52s (spades, though not clubs) ... but I'm not sure if he knew what he was doing, or was just being reckless!
The reason I shut down is, after playing quite sensibly and fairly profitably at 25NL and 50NL, I'm used playing small pots aggressively, but waiting for a great hand before I commit my whole stack. I'll bet my draws, but I'm not used to playing back at someone who raises me when I'm on the draw. Partly cos I like to be the one in control (who doesn't!), but also because at the low limits I didn't NEED to get involved in situations like this. I'd usually pass it over for a better situation later on, even if I thought that in theory I had pot odds and a bit of fold equity. Thanks for the replies! |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
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I agree that once hero underbet flop, pushing such an overbet is weird but I think if hero bet more preflop say 4xbb or 5xbb, bet near pot on flop, got raised, then he could push as the pot size would be exponentially bigger. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I usually bet about 2/3 of the pot as standard, no matter what I have. (Don't ask me why I bet $3 instead of $4 here - a small mistake that makes all the difference?) I'll have to improve my strategy based on the situation! I either wanted him to fold there and then, or call and let me catch a club. He wasn't supposed to raise me! Since he called from the start with essentially nothing, it's possible he may have had it in mind to try and outplay me no matter what I did. |
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Re: Was I outplayed here?
particularly in blind battles, you have to be willing to 3-bet fairly regularly, IMO. still don't go crazy, because people still aren't that aggro here, but if you have a hand which could be best and has many many outs to improve, i definitely think a 3-bet is good. it will also set the tone for future conflicts and he will raise you (or call you) less liberally.
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