Was I outplayed here?

RobMay · #1 07-01-2005, 03:49 PM

Just started playing $100NL at Party ... and this guy pulls this stunt with ... well, see if you can guess.

My question really is: should I have raised from the SB in the first place? And how did I play it from then on?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, NL$100 (9 handed) converter

BB ($88.8)
UTG ($64)
UTG+1 ($61.7)
MP1 ($100)
MP2 ($272.6)
MP3 ($97)
CO ($73.2)
Button ($97.35)
Hero ($97)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
7 folds, Hero (poster) raises to $3, BB calls $2.5.

Flop: ($6) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, BB raises to $9, Hero calls $6.

Turn: ($24) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, BB bets $20, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $44

amoeba · #2 07-01-2005, 03:56 PM

bet more on the flop,

once he raises, I go all in.

swolfe · #3 07-01-2005, 03:57 PM

72o?

pot the flop, he'll be less likely to bluff raise you if you make a full pot bet.

if you had potted it, and he had made a good raise, then a 3-bet all-in would have been the play to make. you'd have 3 A outs, 3 T outs, 9 club outs, and good fold equity against anything but a set.

TheWorstPlayer · #4 07-01-2005, 03:59 PM

You definitely can't go all-in for such an overbet on the flop, but I would re-raise to $30.

amoeba · #5 07-01-2005, 04:00 PM

if you were both deeper,

just calling the flop raise is ok, but at buy in level stacks, I like a strong flop bet followed by a push if raised.

TheWorstPlayer · #6 07-01-2005, 04:01 PM

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if you were both deeper,

just calling the flop raise is ok, but at buy in level stacks, I like a strong flop bet followed by a push if raised.

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quoted for truth.

amoeba · #7 07-01-2005, 04:01 PM

I agree that once hero underbet flop, pushing such an overbet is weird but I think if hero bet more preflop say 4xbb or 5xbb,

bet near pot on flop, got raised,

then he could push as the pot size would be exponentially bigger.

RobMay · #8 07-01-2005, 04:20 PM

He had 52s (spades, though not clubs) ... but I'm not sure if he knew what he was doing, or was just being reckless!

The reason I shut down is, after playing quite sensibly and fairly profitably at 25NL and 50NL, I'm used playing small pots aggressively, but waiting for a great hand before I commit my whole stack.

I'll bet my draws, but I'm not used to playing back at someone who raises me when I'm on the draw. Partly cos I like to be the one in control (who doesn't!), but also because at the low limits I didn't NEED to get involved in situations like this. I'd usually pass it over for a better situation later on, even if I thought that in theory I had pot odds and a bit of fold equity.

Thanks for the replies!

RobMay · #9 07-01-2005, 04:26 PM

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I agree that once hero underbet flop, pushing such an overbet is weird but I think if hero bet more preflop say 4xbb or 5xbb,

bet near pot on flop, got raised,

then he could push as the pot size would be exponentially bigger.

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Yeah, I usually bet about 2/3 of the pot as standard, no matter what I have. (Don't ask me why I bet $3 instead of $4 here - a small mistake that makes all the difference?) I'll have to improve my strategy based on the situation!

I either wanted him to fold there and then, or call and let me catch a club. He wasn't supposed to raise me! Since he called from the start with essentially nothing, it's possible he may have had it in mind to try and outplay me no matter what I did.

TheWorstPlayer · #10 07-01-2005, 04:28 PM

particularly in blind battles, you have to be willing to 3-bet fairly regularly, IMO. still don't go crazy, because people still aren't that aggro here, but if you have a hand which could be best and has many many outs to improve, i definitely think a 3-bet is good. it will also set the tone for future conflicts and he will raise you (or call you) less liberally.