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06-21-2005, 04:32 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
I fold. A pro like Bigler is not going to try and put a move on an unknown in hand #1 of a large buy-in WSOP event. Hero is representing the Q probably with an ace, so what can Bigler be thinking. This looks like a flopped set.
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#2
06-21-2005, 05:08 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
His flat calling the flop raises the hairs on my neck.
The Q on the turn makes it more likely you're way ahead/way behind. Check behind on the turn. Flat call the river if it looks like a blocking bet. Value bet if he checks. Fold to a pot sized bet. (probably lost to QJ or 55?)
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#4
06-21-2005, 05:35 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
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[ QUOTE ] Fold to a pot sized bet. [/ QUOTE ] if you take your line, there's no way you should fold to a pot-sized river bet. [/ QUOTE ] why not? If the turn goes check/check then he leads the river for pot ...well, I guess it's weaktight but wouldn't he be more likely to use a 1/2 pot bet or so to push me off my hand if he's bluffing?
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#5
06-23-2005, 04:48 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
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The Q on the turn makes it more likely you're way ahead/way behind. Check behind on the turn. Flat call the river if it looks like a blocking bet. Value bet if he checks. Fold to a pot sized bet. [/ QUOTE ] ***Edited to say that if I checked behind on the turn I would call a pot-sized bet on the river.
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#6
06-21-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
I guarantee that for Chris Bigler (one of the best in the world at PLHE) to be putting 66% of his stack in the middle on the very first hand of a 2-day tournament, he has the nuts or very, very, very close to it. I doubt Bigler would play 55 or QJ out of position on hand #1, so he has JJ approximately 100% of the time. The absolute best-case scenario for your friend is that he has A-Q and a slpit-pot. This is a clear-as-day fold.
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#7
06-22-2005, 02:08 AM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
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I guarantee that for Chris Bigler (one of the best in the world at PLHE) to be putting 66% of his stack in the middle on the very first hand of a 2-day tournament, he has the nuts or very, very, very close to it. I doubt Bigler would play 55 or QJ out of position on hand #1, so he has JJ approximately 100% of the time. The absolute best-case scenario for your friend is that he has A-Q and a slpit-pot. This is a clear-as-day fold. [/ QUOTE ] so actually what you're saying is that bigler is horrible.
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#8
06-22-2005, 02:28 AM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
hmm he CR the turn when it paired the top for T1500 and then he bets only 1500 on the river? Something is not right, against an unknown that seems to be almost married to this hand on the turn.
At this point I have to ask myself what Chris is Saving the rest of his chips for? Obviously he has to put the other guy on possibly a Q after the CR cold call. If so against an unknown I'd think he'd want to get most of that in if he does have a boat. Something isn't right with the river bet after the previous action, seems weakishly small and I'd think he'd get the rest of his T5k chips in there if he had any boat (possible exception being 5's full)
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#9
06-22-2005, 04:45 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
[ QUOTE ]
hmm he CR the turn when it paired the top for T1500 and then he bets only 1500 on the river? Something is not right, against an unknown that seems to be almost married to this hand on the turn. At this point I have to ask myself what Chris is Saving the rest of his chips for? Obviously he has to put the other guy on possibly a Q after the CR cold call. If so against an unknown I'd think he'd want to get most of that in if he does have a boat. Something isn't right with the river bet after the previous action, seems weakishly small and I'd think he'd get the rest of his T5k chips in there if he had any boat (possible exception being 5's full) [/ QUOTE ] I wholeheartedly disagree. That bet is perfectly crafted by a superior hand looking for a call. Bigler's read is that his opponent has a Q and he wants his hand to get paid. You have to keep in mind it cost $5000 to play in this event. Bigler knows the hero isn't going to be wild about losing his $5000 entry fee in one hand, so by going all-in on the end, the hero may fold quite a few hands with a Q (such as K-Q, Q-10, Q-9, and Q-8 for fear of losing to a superior Q-hand). I see very good players make this kind of bet all the time when they want action...a bet that screams out "you should call me because your hand might be good AND YOU WON'T GO BROKE in this tournament even if it isn't." I'm sure Bigler would be prefectly happy increasing his stack from T5000 to T8300 on the very first hand of this event with blinds still at $25/$25. --Z
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#10
06-22-2005, 04:18 PM
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Re: Hand from $5000 Pot limit WSOP event
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[ QUOTE ] I guarantee that for Chris Bigler (one of the best in the world at PLHE) to be putting 66% of his stack in the middle on the very first hand of a 2-day tournament, he has the nuts or very, very, very close to it. I doubt Bigler would play 55 or QJ out of position on hand #1, so he has JJ approximately 100% of the time. The absolute best-case scenario for your friend is that he has A-Q and a slpit-pot. This is a clear-as-day fold. [/ QUOTE ] so actually what you're saying is that bigler is horrible. [/ QUOTE ] How exactly does that follow?
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