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Old 06-20-2005, 11:38 AM
drudman drudman is offline
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You're wrong, I'm right.

It does matter, from a quantum point of view, that you observe. The past does not occur, that is to say all of the wave equations remain an large set of possible outcomes, until they are observed. Google Schrodinger's Cat, or Quantum Suicide Machine.

The second refutation you made is also wrong. Many-worlds hypothesis makes it so that you don't go back in time along the path you came, which you seem to imply. Branching of paths does not occur along a linear time.

"Going back" in time is a misnomer, you don't go backwards on the time line, you travel to a different world that is at an earlier time. This removes the problem of quantum determination, because nothing has been determined.

If time is linear, and many-worlds is either not true, or only good in the future direction, then time travel is impossible. So either it's bunk, and the whole discussion is moot, or it's not bunk, and you're wrong. Choose your fate.
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Old 06-20-2005, 12:45 PM
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[ QUOTE ]
You're wrong, I'm right.

It does matter, from a quantum point of view, that you observe. The past does not occur, that is to say all of the wave equations remain an large set of possible outcomes, until they are observed. Google Schrodinger's Cat, or Quantum Suicide Machine.

The second refutation you made is also wrong. Many-worlds hypothesis makes it so that you don't go back in time along the path you came, which you seem to imply. Branching of paths does not occur along a linear time.

"Going back" in time is a misnomer, you don't go backwards on the time line, you travel to a different world that is at an earlier time. This removes the problem of quantum determination, because nothing has been determined.

If time is linear, and many-worlds is either not true, or only good in the future direction, then time travel is impossible. So either it's bunk, and the whole discussion is moot, or it's not bunk, and you're wrong. Choose your fate.

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You fail Quantum Physics 101. You are confounding two different interpretations of quantum mechanics. One of which is the "spiritual interpretation" where a conscious observer is needed to collapse the wavefunction. This interpretation is ignored by most physicists and is generally not taken seriously. In the other, the many-worlds interpretation, there is no wavefunction collapse since all possible outcomes occur, hence any observation or measurement is completely irrelevant. The two are mutually exclusive.

My many-worlds quote is directly from the paper. Perhaps you should read it.

-Travas
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Old 06-20-2005, 01:07 PM
drudman drudman is offline
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I am pwn3d. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]

I used to be a serious student of physics, but I became a serious student of philosophy. I'm going to have to bone up on my physics if I want to make arrogant claims in the scientific realm. Which I do.
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