Flop set, Ace hits turn, what next??

[Newt_Buggs]

if you do check this flop, be prepared to check raise it (I wouldn't cr too much here though since MP1 looks really weak

[Degen]

raise the flop

bet the turn after raising the flop

if you decide to still play the flop slow, i would check raise the turn.



Andre

[utmt40]

If you are check raising the flop, how much are you going to raise then?

[curtains]

I definitely like betting out on this flop here.

[nokona13]

Curtains, I also tend to hate slowplaying so much, unless you have quads with like 5 to act after you or something. In an effort to maintain consistency with my continuation bets and TPTK bets I generally lead sets, but I think maybe I've been losing value in some situations. What kind of situation (# left to act after you, their stack sizes, your stack size) would you ever try say a check/call flop, lead turn line? Obviously if you can check/raise all in without an overbet against an aggressive opponent, that's a good idea. But any other less obvious situations. Do you ever resort to the check/call flop check/raise turn line?

[citanul]

this is an incredibly vague question. for that, i hate you.

to answer your question though:

there's lots of reasons to go with a line like the one you described. one would be because another player is the aggressor in the pot with several opponents. large pots, etc. on a board that is very likely to have hit someone, but not necessarilly in a draw manner, i'd check to a crowd. when the pot is already big, basically, or you have really good reasons to believe it's the best way to get money in there. etc, etc, etc.

yah, that's the problem with vague questions.

seeking to confine this to like, please provide me a chart of relevent numbers so i can play from that, is a bad way of going about things.

citanul

[Degen]

zee pot

i actually hadn't payed enuff attention to positions...i too would bet the flop (not check raise) then bet the turn.


Andre

[Wes ManTooth]

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Thanks for all the comments, this is partly what i was putting into consideration.

I will continue with the hand that played out...
Since I did check call the flop and since an Ace hit the turn...
(I know you may not like this) but I decided to check the turn. I was hoping that villian, will bet out again, But I also planned ahead of MAYBE even checking on whatever came on the river, regardless if he bet or folded. Therefore giving the villian two chances to attempt to steal the pot.

Villian decided check the turn.

River was the Queen (Hearts) so the backdoor flush draw got there and also put up straight possiblities. From his flop bet I put him on he either had an overpair and/or top pair or 2 pair. So I was not worried about him having a straight. Though the flush did get there I was not concerned about this either, for a number of reasons, which would be a long discussion in its self (I will try not to go off topic).

Before I post the final results, I am curious how you would act on the river now, do?
On the river would you check? bet?

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Continueing with this hand, I appreciate the comments about how you would play the flop and the turn.

Now how would you play the river had this hand played out to this point?

[AliasMrJones]

Bet the flop, something in the 30-40 range and lead the turn with a similar size bet relative to the pot. With that many people, you're likely to get raised by someone with T-good kicker on the flop and if not, it will be hard for someone to put you on an A on the turn and you may get someone with an A raising you on the turn. The way you played it I think it is now going to be hard to make a lot of money most of the time.

Given the way you played it I think I'd check the turn and hope he bets, then check-raise. If the checks the turn, bet something in the 50 range and hope he calls.

[Matt R.]

I know everyone so far is advocating leading on the flop, but I personally prefer a check/call here as you did. When the flop comes 10 high and is a rainbow, I prefer to give a free card to the multiple players in the pot hoping they'll catch an A, K, or maybe 2 pair (in which case you can usually get their stack if they catch 2 pair). I like leading out in a mult-way pot if an A or K is on the flop, hoping for a raise or at least multiple callers to build the pot. I doubt leading out here would net more chips because you'd likely get everyone to fold except MP1, and then when you bet that turn he'll fold. You just got unlucky here in the sense that no one caught anything they were willing to pay you off with.