JTo on the button 6max

[Bodhi]

getting 8-1, I would call a bet on the end. Also, with the range of MP's holdings being so wide, I would bet this river for value.

Being check-raised would be very unpleasant, and my response could depend a lot on what the villain had already seen me do during the session.

[milesdyson]

I am pretty much definitely raising this preflop. I want to play heads up (yes, with JTo) against the 70/14 dude who basically limped in the cutoff.

SB is passive, so it is likely he checks the turn. I can imagine him checking any non top pair hand unless he's improved, but I think he will bet any top pair hand on the turn. You beat most of the top pair hands he could have, and I think him checking the turn is too likely, so I like raising the flop.

Turn is a must bet. It would suck if he check raised you there, and it would be a fold, imo.

River is also a bet if he checks to you, but it is pretty close. He probably would have raised a T on the flop or an A on the turn, so you're basically betting and hoping he has called you down with a 2 or a low pocket pair (which is decently likely).

If he check raises, I don't see how it can be a bluff, so I'd fold. As you said, he hasn't been tricky postflop thus far.

[cmwck]

Whether to raise or call the flop depends on the aggressiveness of SB. Since he is typical passive, I'd probably raise the flop to extract value while I can.

The river is interesting ; I can't really think of many hands he would bet that we beat. He could have a 6, an ace, maybe JJ. Or he could be betting 77-99 trying to scare you with the board pairing. Is he getting tricky with a worse hand more than 10% of the time? Your read would suggest no, so I would fold the river.

If he checked, he would have to have pretty awful river calling standards for me to bet.

[DMBFan23]

value bizzle this shizzle, for rizzle.

I reply to any questions of "what hands call" with

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MP is about 70/14 PF. I haven't had great folding equity postflop against him thus far

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Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed)

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EDIT: absolutely call if he bets

[krishanleong]

Raise preflop.

Flop is fine.

Turn is good.

Call 1 on the river. Check behind if checked to.

Krishan

[Megenoita]

I think betting if checked to is really necessary. 2x, Tx, 33, 44, 55, 77, 88, 99 call, and you can easily fold to a raise. This is 1/2. 2x and Tx WONT fold, ever, and all the above pocket pairs are passive-possible.

Congratulations on getting married [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

M

[krishanleong]

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I think betting if checked to is really necessary. 2x, Tx, 33, 44, 55, 77, 88, 99 call, and you can easily fold to a raise. This is 1/2. 2x and Tx WONT fold, ever, and all the above pocket pairs are passive-possible.

Congratulations on getting married [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img].

M

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Thanks. Here is the thing, I put villian on a J, 6, 2 or pocket pair. Assuming he will call with all hands, check-raise with a 6. You lose 2 on a 6, win 1 on a 2 or pp, split with all Jacks. It's an even bet.

Now consider that he may fold some weak pp or a 2 and he might cr a jack now that his kicker is counterfeit I think edges the river action to a check.

Now maybe noone will ever cr here with just a J. But people go wild on paired boards and I don't think you can rule it out. I check the river.

Krishan

[Megenoita]

I don't see why you think it's an even bet. Consider that some of the time top pair will have raised already, and some of the time a 6 will bet into you on the river. The frequency of a 6 is lessened now that we see 2 of them, and we now lose to no J. No piece folds on a paired board with little action, so 2x and any pocket pair pay us off. And when we bet and get raised, we fold, so we don't lose 2 bets against a 6, but only 1. Of course this discussion depends on the type of player, but against most players, this is a serious value bet.

M

[krishanleong]

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I don't see why you think it's an even bet. Consider that some of the time top pair will have raised already, and some of the time a 6 will bet into you on the river. The frequency of a 6 is lessened now that we see 2 of them, and we now lose to no J. No piece folds on a paired board with little action, so 2x and any pocket pair pay us off. And when we bet and get raised, we fold, so we don't lose 2 bets against a 6, but only 1. Of course this discussion depends on the type of player, but against most players, this is a serious value bet.

M

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This is what I said earlier.

Now maybe noone will ever cr here with just a J. But people go wild on paired boards and I don't think you can rule it out. I check the river.

Krishan

[DMBFan23]

why can't we only lose 1 on a river c/r?

also this is 1/2 6max we might be giving out opponent way too much credit for being able to fold a worse hand, or checkraise a better one. him checkraising a T x% of the time would lean me towards check.