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04-12-2005, 05:59 PM
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Re: Understanding implied odds...
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I would not want to play this out of position, calling pfr and not having enough bettors in the hand to pay off the infrequent set. 22 hu/sh seems like a clear fold at this point regardless of odds. Just about the only way we win is a third two and meanwhile virtually anything on the flop puts us behind (if we aren't already). And after watching a couple 2+2 party tables, we'll definitely have to showdown. Seems too speculative for the expense involved... [/ QUOTE ] Ignoring odds is bad. What do you think I'll usually get at this sort of table when I flop a set? I'm working to make a deficit of between 6-8SB's back, on the average, postflop. Rob 
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#13
04-12-2005, 07:50 PM
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I\'m a results-oriented whore.
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Preflop: Hero is SB with 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG+1 calls. Flop: (8 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> Hero checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls, BB calls. Turn: (12 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 caps</font>, MP3 calls, Hero calls. River: (24 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP3 folds, Hero calls. Final Pot: 26 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> UTG+1 has 4s Jc (high card, king). Hero has 2d 2h (three of a kind, twos). Outcome: Hero wins 26 BB. </font>
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#15
04-12-2005, 08:07 PM
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Re: I\'m a results-oriented whore.
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Outcome: Hero wins 26 BB. [/ QUOTE ] That's another example of how you can win more money at an aggressive table versus a passive one. That's assuming bad players, of course. Awesome job. And a good reminder to adjust your implied odds upward against bad, aggressive players.
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#17
04-12-2005, 08:54 PM
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Re: Understanding implied odds...
Fold, don't cold call a raise here with pocket twos. Maybe if you were in late position and you figured it would NOT be raised and you anticipated at least 4 other players besides you to see the flop (like a few limpers, or few other people who cold called in front of you).
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#18
04-12-2005, 08:57 PM
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Re: Understanding implied odds...
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[ QUOTE ] I would not want to play this out of position, calling pfr and not having enough bettors in the hand to pay off the infrequent set. 22 hu/sh seems like a clear fold at this point regardless of odds. Just about the only way we win is a third two and meanwhile virtually anything on the flop puts us behind (if we aren't already). And after watching a couple 2+2 party tables, we'll definitely have to showdown. Seems too speculative for the expense involved... [/ QUOTE ] Ignoring odds is bad. What do you think I'll usually get at this sort of table when I flop a set? I'm working to make a deficit of between 6-8SB's back, on the average, postflop. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Just curious as to where you got the 6-8SB number from. You're getting 3:1, but it's 8:1 to flop a set, so you'd need to make 8-3=5 small bets postflop. Is the extra 1-3SB's to compensate for the times UTG+1 limp-reraises or for the times everyone folds on the flop or turn?
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#19
04-12-2005, 09:00 PM
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Re: Understanding implied odds...
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I would not want to play this out of position, calling pfr and not having enough bettors in the hand to pay off the infrequent set. 22 hu/sh seems like a clear fold at this point regardless of odds. Just about the only way we win is a third two and meanwhile virtually anything on the flop puts us behind (if we aren't already). And after watching a couple 2+2 party tables, we'll definitely have to showdown. Seems too speculative for the expense involved... [/ QUOTE ] Ignoring odds is bad. What do you think I'll usually get at this sort of table when I flop a set? I'm working to make a deficit of between 6-8SB's back, on the average, postflop. Rob [/ QUOTE ] Just curious as to where you got the 6-8SB number from. You're getting 3:1, but it's 8:1 to flop a set, so you'd need to make 8-3=5 small bets postflop. Is the extra 1-3SB's to compensate for the times UTG+1 limp-reraises or for the times everyone folds on the flop or turn? [/ QUOTE ] It's to compensate for the times you hit your set and still lose.
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#20
04-12-2005, 09:09 PM
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Re: Understanding implied odds...
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Fold, don't cold call a raise here with pocket twos. Maybe if you were in late position and you figured it would NOT be raised and you anticipated at least 4 other players besides you to see the flop (like a few limpers, or few other people who cold called in front of you). [/ QUOTE ] You realize I'm in the SB, right?
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