5/10 Hand (Boring Title; Interesting Hand)

[Cornell Fiji]

I don't like the line that the hero took on this hand.

Flop- I would raise to 90 sometimes, but other times I would just call. I would raise more often than call but believe either play is correct.

Turn- I would 3 bet here (to 500 - 650 straight) nearly every time. Playing against the BB who saw a free flop you can obviously be against any two. True, the villain may have 67 or a set but when he does it is nice to have those 13 outs to improve. I think that it is more common however that you will be against a smaller two pair or some kind of one pair+draw hand and against both you want to be raising.

River - Given the way that it panned out, I really don't like the check behind. With the action as it stands I have the villain on a weak 2 pair, a pair of 10s or 8s with a missed draw, or 67. I don't think that he would go for a double check raise with a set or 67 (although it is possible with the 67) but then again I don't think he would really be checking 2 pair here either (although it would make sense if he thought you would bet/raise him here and feared the same set/straight that you fear.) Because I don't think that he will call much with a 1 pair hand I would bet 300 on the end and fold to a raise. I think that he would call this with 2 pair (and maybe a set) but would raise with the straight. If he was ballsey enough to try a double check raise bluff then the pot is deservedly his.

How often will someone bluff a missed flush draw after they get check raised on the turn? I don't think that it is frequent enough for the villain to go for a double check-raise here.



-Steve

[fsuplayer]

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Turn- I would 3 bet here (to 500 - 650 straight) nearly every time. Playing against the BB who saw a free flop you can obviously be against any two. True, the villain may have 67 or a set but when he does it is nice to have those 13 outs to improve. I think that it is more common however that you will be against a smaller two pair or some kind of one pair+draw hand and against both you want to be raising.

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chances of getting btm two or the like to call a turn 3 bet arent very good on that board.


and raising this flop is not a good play. your hand isnt that strong in a multiway pot and most likely needs to improve a good amount to win. i would hate to get reraise on that flop.

[muzungu]

Ooh, this is a good one.

Flop: looks good. You have a nice pair+draw hand, but no nut outs, and you hate a flop 3-bet. Looks like a good time to call and play a small to medium-sized pot.

Turn: seems standard.

River: I agree, looks like he has a medium-strength made hand. He is happy to see it checked through, or is hoping a busted draw will bluff. He doesn't bet b/c the board is getting a little tricker for his bottom 2 (maybe you have JT, e.g.) and he doesn't want to get raised.

So... you bet! he calls with his 54 or 85 or whatever and you win. I think if he has a sure winner (a set or 67) he leads out. No one plays for a double c/r with their big hands like this, or makes a double c/r bluff with a busted draw. I bet 250 or 300 (and fold to a raise, of course).

-muz

[AZK]

I'd like to hear a lot more about the turn, personally, in these situations I find myself betting the turn a lot on a semi-bluff, more than I probably should...

[muzungu]

Really? 3-betting seems horrible to me. Villain will probably fold a smaller 2-pair and push with a set or the straight. You are getting nothing more if you are ahead (and villian is probably drawing thin), and you have 11-13 outs if you are behind... betting then calling the c/r seems like a no-brainer. What am I missing?

-muz

[AZK]

No, no, I'm not talking about the 3rd bet, I'm talking about making the first bet. In position, out of position, when I hit top 2 and the flush draw I almost always punch it, but I'm beginning to think this isn't the best move...

[cero_z]

Hey Mike,

Flop: not very debatable. You don't want to lose your chance to play a MUCH bigger pot as a big favorite, which could happen if you raise on the flop.

Turn: Again, looks straightforward to me--you must bet, since after just the flop action, you're way ahead, as far as you know, and you want to build the pot. Since your opponent can see the possible straight in this unraised pot, the call (non-reraise) also seems standard. I guess it's en vogue on this forum to push here, but I usually wouldn't. I don't love my made hand at this point. You do a lot better in the long run by letting him keep the lead here, I think.

River: Not too debatable either, IMO, since the size of bet you can probably get him to call with a worse hand is probably not worth the risk of getting raised.

Which street was of the most interest to you?

[theBruiser500]

if he gets raised on the river he must have the best hand, no one c/r 3 times ina row iwth a good hand. if he gets called and losses so what, that own't happen, he'll get called on the river and win.

[Rocaix]

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if he gets raised on the river he must have the best hand, no one c/r 3 times ina row iwth a good hand. if he gets called and losses so what, that own't happen, he'll get called on the river and win.

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A Check-raise on the river would certainly reek of a desperation bluff.

[KaneKungFu123]

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if he gets raised on the river he must have the best hand, no one c/r 3 times ina row iwth a good hand. if he gets called and losses so what, that own't happen, he'll get called on the river and win.

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A Check-raise on the river would certainly reek of a desperation bluff.

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Who check-raise bluffs this river? If Villian wanted to bluff hed lead out at you. If he check raises it means you just got played.