Age Question......

[Plzr]

[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] started playing HE at 22 [img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img] am 47 now [img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/grin.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]

[SoBeDude]

I'd appreciate any pointers you could give on online play. I'm struggling to make money online where I do fairly well in 10-20 live games.

I struggle to break even at 3-6 online and just started to scratch out a meager profit at 1-2 and 2-4. my online play has just reached positive cash flow in the last week, and then not a lot.

Overall I'm down about $800 playing online.

Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-Scott

[SoBeDude]

However, just to give you an idea.... Once the Visa posting jobs ABENDed for all of Citi's Visa accounts. I printed out the failure... and was reprimanded for not being "paperless"... then the same manager handed out a football pool.... on *paper*.

ABENDs...god that brings me back. Batch processing on an IBM mainframe. How very 70's of them.

I had to worry about those when I was working my way through college...way back in the mid 80's.

If you're working in Redmond (might I guess Microsoft - the axis of evil?), you'd hate working in cobol and RPG on mainframes.

find something else

-Scott

[SoBeDude]

Your point about when you were born has more to do with it than you may think.

I too have the BS in CS. throughout my career (which I gave up before bubble burst) I looked down on the mainframe types such as you.

you're using 60's and 70's technology. Even the SNA you mention (but couldn't spell architecture)was simply an attempt to breath new uses in to old mainframes.

you're programming in languages so out date, you're a commodity. no offense, but you've a dime-a-dozen skill set. they do NOT demand a strong salary, never did and never will.

now back to my point about your age. Had you started just a few years later, and had skills that are in demand then you'd see the big bucks too.

I always demanded a high salary because I had skills that were in short supply. Then I developed a reputation as the guy who gets things done and moved in to management - and the six-figure salary.

Now my skills were NOT what I learned in college. They are what I developed to handle certain needs my customers had. I mostly taught myself.

So shame on you for sticking with dinosaurs, not keeping your pulse on the up-and-coming technologies, and not getting the skills that demand the bucks. and double-shame on you for blaming others who made out better.

Now if its any consolation to you, I quit my job, opened up jet ski rentals on South Beach, and promptly went broke when 9/11 happened.

But I have no regrets and have only respect for those that have done better and made more money than I.

-With respect

Scott

[SoBeDude]

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I agree with your comment about the jet mechanic and piston engine. Most companies are very short-sighted when it comes to hiring programmers. A good programmer will be a good programmer regardless of the language. The language is trivial.
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unfortunately that is not true any longer. back in the day of cobol, fortran, basic, rpg, and c you could agrue that point.

But today's languages are very complex to use productively, and the learning curve is huge.

I made that mistake with Powerbuilder. I hired a guy I knew who was very talented in many languages. It took him well over a year to really be productive, and I had to spend a fortune sending him to a 2-week class to give him a hand.

In lost productivity actual costs, and missed opportunities I could have hired two high-priced powerbuilder "experts" and been money ahead.

Which is exactly what I did the next time.

-Scott

[pufferfish]

you're using 60's and 70's technology.

(Think B.S.)

Even the SNA you mention (but couldn't spell architecture)was simply an attempt to breath new uses in to old mainframes.

(Think denial of service attacks.)

you're programming in languages so out date, you're a commodity. no offense, but you've a dime-a-dozen skill set. they do NOT demand a strong salary, never did and never will.

I not sure about IBM Level 2 support today, but it used to be that these were the folks that read the "dumps" and provided solutions to problems in a system or it's components (read Operating System) that they supported.

The operating system and it's components are were/are written in PLS? (read assembler language).

This is a lot different that being a COBOL or RPG programmer.

[mojolang]

Started when I was 18, now I'm 19. I think I'm pretty decent. I obviously am growing all the time but for only a year and a half play, I'm pretty confident. I think at times I don't have the balls or lack the discipline to go with what I should do, but it is quite seldom now. I've played only as high as 4/8 as I don't have $ to go higher. JV is obviously very lucky or has picked perfect games to build up a bankoll that quick. I'm not saying he isn't talented but he obviously stubled upon something good whether that be luck or a damn easy game. After reading Malmuth's GTAOTs, I realized how brutal standard deviation can be. I remember in one session, I dropped 200 in a 3/6 game in one 40 minute period when I got pocket kings snapped twice, queens three times and aces once all snapped at the river. I was ready to go home and puke I was feeling so dejected but now I think that losing is much easier to handle. Now, after playing for longer, and reading GTAOTs, I realize that everyone is going to take some knocks, and as long as your play is opimal, there is nothing to do but get back in there.

Joe

[gonores]

I started around X-mas 2002 after a series of knee surgeries took kept me incognito for a semester and I spent my weekends reading stolen copies of HEP and HEPFAP instead of getting drunk. I decided to learn in November and early December on Turbo THE and finally started playing online for real money over winter break. My $80 buy-in was sufficient, and I am up about $1500 in my first month playing $1-2 and $2-4 (taking lumps on Turbo is way easier than in real life).

I am 21.

[The Claw]

My turn. I started playing in a serious home game two years ago. We play weekly with casino rules: 2-4 with kill; only Texas and Omaha/8. Two of the players (including me) really read and study; another three have read most of the books, but aren't quite as obsessed; one is just a "natural"; and we have a couple maniacs who like to join us. I had been beating that game by about 1.25 BB per hour (4 hours/week times about 40 weeks/year), but lately I've been doing a little worse. Not sure if it's me or a change in the table, or just a long run of bad cards.

I only play free money online, and can't help winning, but I know that's not realistic. I can also pretty easily beat the "average" lineups on TTH.

I play Vegas two or three times a year, mostly 3-6 at Mirage, and have beaten that game (barely) (i.e. less than 1/2 BB per hour).

I'm now 40 and a lawyer. I suppose I could afford much higher stakes than 2-4 or 3-6, but I'm not playing for money, I'm just playing to win. If I really wanted to make money, I'd leave the poker table and bill one of my clients another hour or so.

[SlyR]

All the "young 'uns" indeed.

I was used to feeling relatively inexperienced until I read everyone else's answers. Now I don't feel so young as a 30 year old who's been playing seriously for about five years.