How much respect do I give this guy? - Page 2

aggie · #1 03-19-2005, 05:03 PM

Another factor, is that this guy previously pushed all in on the turn when he had a set....Call!

aggie · #2 03-19-2005, 05:11 PM

On another note, i really hate the check on the river here (unless the button is a habitual bluffer like me).

FoxwoodsFiend · #3 03-19-2005, 05:19 PM

I guess I should add I definitely put the button on diamonds and was ready to pick off any bet he might make, though he isn't a huge bluffer so I didn't think I'd need to.

chuddo · #4 03-19-2005, 05:14 PM

i would have bet 250 or so on the river into him, as he will just call with a weaker K if your hand is good.

he could have flopped a set and looked to jam the turn to out-price the diamond draw, but he managed to fill up and wanted the idiot button to come along and pay him off on the river.

2-1 on your call isn't enough here to make the crying call i dont think, as i expect your hand to be good a far less time than that.

LuvDemNutz · #5 04-05-2005, 03:43 PM

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i would have bet 250 or so on the river into him, as he will just call with a weaker K if your hand is good.

he could have flopped a set and looked to jam the turn to out-price the diamond draw, but he managed to fill up and wanted the idiot button to come along and pay him off on the river.

2-1 on your call isn't enough here to make the crying call i dont think, as i expect your hand to be good a far less time than that.

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All of this sounds right to me.

soah · #6 03-19-2005, 05:41 PM

Remember the secion in Ciaffone/Reuben's book about beating the bully? There's one pretty nice quote in there along the lines of "Don't let the bully run you into the nuts." You see that the button is always raising when he has the button, and you figure KQ is in great shape againt him, so you call. Problem is that there's a rock who has limped in UTG, and you've seen him limp in previously with big hands. Do you really want to play KQ out of position against this guy in a raised pot?

I suppose your thinking was that the rock, being the rock that he is, would likely get out of the way if he didn't flop a huge hand, and you could just tangle with the moron on the button. Or if the rock came to life and you didn't have the nuts, you'd get away cheaply. But then your flop play makes no sense. You flop top pair, and checkraise the rock?! What are you hoping to accomplish there? Are you trying to make him fold (and if so, what hand do you put him on)? Trying to build a pot? Neither objective makes much sense with top pair/second kicker.

Your turn bet was awfully weak. About 1/4 pot it looks like. Once again, what are you trying to accomplish? On the river you fold. You've told UTG you have a king, and he doesn't care.

KaneKungFu123 · #7 03-19-2005, 05:43 PM

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UTG is a supertight old player

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Again. Its not even close.

fsuplayer · #8 03-19-2005, 06:02 PM

why are you CRing a tight UTG's bet into a pfr?

but since you did, once he calls, you are in bad shape, and the K on the turn doesnt change much..

as it was, this is a very easy fold w/o a big read.

so i pretty much agree w KangFu on this one.

FoxwoodsFiend · #9 03-19-2005, 06:44 PM

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why are you CRing a tight UTG's bet into a pfr?

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Because I don't feel like check-folding for a 35 dollar bet into a 145 dollar pot when I'm pretty positive I have the button beat and feel I can get UTG out of this pot. Are you trying to tell me that pushing off a tight player who weak leads into two players with a check-raise is inadvisable? I was ready to slow down/give up the hand once they both called, but hitting trips on the turn made me reconsider my line.

fsuplayer · #10 03-19-2005, 06:52 PM

ok, ill give you the flop CR, but what does trips do for you, other than tell you that both players dont have a king now?

it now makes UTG more likely to have a set turned house, esp. when he moves in on the river.