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Old 11-18-2004, 08:09 PM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: That ol\' 4th place

I agree with the preflop play, but I think pushing on the flop is a better play then betting the pot. By betting the pot you are commiting yourself anyways, so you might as well push to increase the chances of taking it down. That flop is not perfect at all. You have only TPTK against a possible flush draw and a possible straight draw.

Push those flops. Did you honestly want him drawing to anything at all? Had you pushed you may still have gotten called, but he would have been calling with bad odds. His call this time still isnt very good, but he did have 2 draws, and you are at the 5+1 level.
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Old 11-18-2004, 08:22 PM
stupidsucker stupidsucker is offline
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Default Re: That ol\' 4th place

Result
http://twodimes.net/h/?z=617444
pokenum -h ah kd - qc tc -- kc 9h 8c
Holdem Hi: 990 enumerated boards containing Kc 8c 9h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Kd Ah 512 51.72 478 48.28 0 0.00 0.517
Qc Tc 478 48.28 512 51.72 0 0.00 0.483


According to two dimes with that flop you gave him odds to draw out on you. This flop made this a coinflip. (of course you didnt know what he had)

He only had to call 600 to win 1850. He only needed 32.4% odds and he had 48% By the time you let him see the turn he only had to call 800 to win 3450, 23% odds.. and he had 34% chance of winning.

Pushing this flop still gives him decent odds to beat you, but it makes it very difficult to call with only draws. (he needs 40.6% to call and he has 48%.)
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Old 11-18-2004, 09:44 PM
stillnotking stillnotking is offline
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Default Re: That ol\' 4th place

Thanks for the input, and the odds post. My idea on the flop was that if he raised, I could dump the hand... but that would be giving way too much credit even at the $5 level, and would leave me short stacked. Muddled thinking. Also, I'd been making pot-sized bets the whole tournament so there was an element of habit there. Next time I push!
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