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TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
No reads on villain.
1.) what do you do in this situation with no reads 2.) against a LAG? Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, CO calls, Hero completes, BB checks. Flop: (4 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, CO calls. Turn: (3 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls. River: (5 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Hero calls. Final Pot: 9 BB the pot is giving me 8-1 on the river, it's big - but not THAT big... I hate it when villains pull the call call raise line, it signals that they improved and w TP I cannot beat any hand that has improved. Many times it's read based, or dictated by a really big pot; Here however it really was neither, so what would be standard? |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
uh i almost never bet/fold riv w/ tp.
i hate this line by opp too. i bet he flopped 2 pr. what a fucker. but to answer your question, barring a specific read, calling is standard here. |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
I call. I figure he's got 55, JJ, or 99 most of the time, but he might be doing a random donk bluff enough to make this a call.
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
grunching.
1. w/ no reads, I check/call the river. You're not going to get called by much that you beat here. In the above case, the river raise indicates that you're beat. I think I fold to that raise. 2. Against a LAG, I still check/call the river, but I'd probably call the raise above. I'm guessing villain showed KTo |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
its an easy call against a LAG
against a normal .5/1 donk, I'm thinking folding is better, your kicker doesn't play so you chop with a random wait till the river raise A2, and you don't beat much else .. from my experience its very rare for a river raise like this to ever not beat TPNK ... |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
with no reads you should call this.
Against a LAG, you should check the river to induce a bluff. |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
My standard has been to call this, but this happened several times last night and TP went down in flames each time. This week I filter PT for "went to showdown" and see how this usually plays out. I don't have a big sample size, but my gut is that it is a rare micro player that pulls this as a bluff.
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
1) without reads I play the flop and turn the way you did and c/c the river (trying to make a hand bluff that wouldn't have called had I bet and making sure I don't get raised because I want to show my hand down and the board is fairly coordinated).
2) Against a LAG: bet the flop; c/c the turn; c/c the river. |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
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w/ no reads, I check/call the river. You're not going to get called by much that you beat here. [/ QUOTE ] I disagree. You'll often get calls with some random pair. [ QUOTE ] In the above case, the river raise indicates that you're beat. I think I fold to that raise. [/ QUOTE ] Agreed, though I rarely do. If it's a leak, it's not a horrible one. (At least, that's how I justify it! [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]) |
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Re: TP: I bet, he calls. I bet, he calls. I bet, he .. Raises!?
I haven't read other replies...
This happens to me often, especially with loose passive players. Sometimes it's a slow play with a set, sometimes they paired up their 9 to give them 9s & 5s. I usually make a crying call here. I'm pretty sure it's -EV, but it is hard to fold for 1 more bet, and if I fold here too often, people might notice and stat taking advantage. On the other hand, the pot is very small, so I might find a fold here, more likely against loose-passive than a LAG, As a general rule, I'll call a river bet if pot odds are ~9:1 or better & fold if less. Art |
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