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Old 11-07-2004, 12:15 AM
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Default Flush draw, but not the nuts

I really don't know whether my laydown was correct. I had the odds to draw for the flush, but considering the action, Mybe I wouldn't have the highest flush.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Button folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, SB calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (9 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, SB calls, Hero folds, UTG+1 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (17 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, <font color="CC3333">CO bets</font>, SB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP3 folds.

Final Pot: 20 BB
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:18 AM
A_C_Slater A_C_Slater is offline
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Default Re: Flush draw, but not the nuts

You have pot odds to call. It seems likely he made a straight. Queen high flush is very strong if you make it.
I don't think I would fold any flush draw here.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:41 AM
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Default Re: Flush draw, but not the nuts

On of my big problems is, when drawing to a non-nut flush I always getting scared, that someone is drawing to a bigger flush.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:50 AM
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Default Re: Flush draw, but not the nuts

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On of my big problems is, when drawing to a non-nut flush I always getting scared, that someone is drawing to a bigger flush.

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I've been burned a few times on this too. It happens, and it is going to happen. But in the long run lower flushes are still profitable hands, and you having 2 of a suit plus having that suit on the board make it less likely someone else has a higher flush. But it does happen, and you will loose sometimes. That is poker.

Sometimes you just have to sling your balls over your shoulders and go for it. Playing scared will cost you money.
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Old 11-07-2004, 01:00 AM
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Sometimes you just have to sling your balls over your shoulders and go for it. Playing scared will cost you money.

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Which is my other problem. I'm recovering from a 100BB set-back, and am definately not showing aggression (readlaying correctly) at the correct times.

I understand that a flush is a strong hand, but what if my high card had been lower? How low a high-card would you guysstill have called 2 bets cold??

When I hit the Fold-button I had a feeling I woul dregret it.... And yes I do now see why I shouldn't have folded.
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Old 11-07-2004, 01:16 AM
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I'm recovering from a 100BB set-back, and am definately not showing aggression (readlaying correctly) at the correct times.


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Yeah I totally sympathize with this. After a downswing it can be tough to play right. It's hard, I know, but you have to do it. If you KNOW what the right play is, then do it. I just had a 190 BB downswing, and it was hard for me to play correctly. Maybe you should take a day or two, or three, off till you get yr mind right.

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I understand that a flush is a strong hand, but what if my high card had been lower? How low a high-card would you guysstill have called 2 bets cold??


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I would play 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] the same.

I also know a good poker player is naturally adverse to cold calling, and for good reason: it is rarely correct. This is one of those rare times.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:21 AM
JDErickson JDErickson is offline
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Default Re: Flush draw, but not the nuts

3 bet the flop.

Bad laydown on the turn. Your flush will win more often then not.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:23 AM
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3 bet the flop.

Bad laydown on the turn. Your flush will win more often then not.

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Why 3 bet the flop without position? Is it to just build a huge pot cause they all have to call?
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:26 AM
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Default Re: Flush draw, but not the nuts

Because the other players will call.
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Old 11-07-2004, 12:37 AM
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Why 3 bet the flop without position? Is it to just build a huge pot cause they all have to call?

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Pot Equity.
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