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Old 10-12-2004, 05:43 AM
Emoney Emoney is offline
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Default Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

against multiple opponents?
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Old 10-12-2004, 08:21 AM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

I like to raise 80% of the time if the table limps. I would raise 95% of the time if my AQ was suited.
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Old 10-12-2004, 08:26 AM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

If the multiple opponents are bad players, then your giving up some EV.

If your multiple opponents are good players, then you may gain some value in deception post flop.
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Old 10-12-2004, 11:12 AM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

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If the multiple opponents are bad players, then your giving up some EV.

If your multiple opponents are good players, then you may gain some value in deception post flop

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I think this is wrong. Against bad players you are gaining a ton of EV. You likely have the best hand and therefore pot equity preflop so you punish the players for limping with garbage hands. This increases your EV.

Against good players they likely have adequate hands to be limping with (or else they arent good players) and they will correctly player there hands postflop in the large pot.

There is an interesting analysis of AQ at fekali's website. I was gonna link it but I cant seem to access it right now. It basically says, if AQ is not dominated in this situation preflop you gain a ton of EV by raising. Furthermore, even if it is dominated by AK, you still gain some EV because of all the dead money. Go to www.fekali.com for the info.
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Old 10-12-2004, 07:05 PM
Noo Yawk Noo Yawk is offline
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

Your mireading my post. We're saying basically the same thing. Raise bad opponents. Against good opponents you may have some advantage in disguising your hand.
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Old 10-13-2004, 01:30 PM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

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preflop so you punish the players for limping with garbage hands.

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i don't "punish" players for limping with trash, because they didn't do anything wrong or bad! i reward them, and encourage them [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]
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Old 10-12-2004, 08:59 AM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

SSH argues for raising strong hands for value out of BB much more liberally than I do. There's a good argument for both.

For raising:
(assuming bad, loose players have entered pot) You gain pre-flop equity by punishing limpers for entering w/ inferior hands. You increase the error they made by calling in the first place and take a fractional bet from each of them now, while you likely have the best hand.

Against raising:
You are manipulating the pot size, and lying in ambush.
You have a top pair kind of hand. If you flop top pair, you'd like to be able to protect it. If you get a good flop, and suspect a late position bet is likely, you may even get off a check-raise on the flop.

I generally side with the second argument here. I think the raise is much better if your AQ is suited. With AQo I think you're adequately compensated by the factors I mentioned for the pre-flop equity you give up by not raising.
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Old 10-12-2004, 10:23 AM
Sal Allegra Sal Allegra is offline
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

To all responses here, Dude, have you not read any Sklansky???? AQo does not play well in multi way pots, and further more you are in weak position???? Don't raise AQo in a Multiway Pot.
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Old 10-12-2004, 10:42 AM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

Dude, did you actually read my post???
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Old 10-12-2004, 03:30 PM
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Default Re: Am I losing too much not raising AQo from the blinds

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Dude, did you actually read my post???

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If you took this offensively, I'd just like to point out he wasn't responding to you. If you're mad because he didnt read all the posts before posting then I'm sorry :P

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